696 migrants, 14 boats

[transam]

Youre right.

You do know where Dover is? Who checks passports there ?

Afaik there is also a Dovor in the US

It got mentioned in a Soprano episode

As to who checks passports at Dovor (UK)

I assume it would be the French ??

As you seem to think that the UK is responsible for Calais

I have assumed that you are if the opinion that the french are in charge
Of Dovor ???

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Afaik there is also a Dovor in the US

It got mentioned in a Soprano episode

As to who checks passports at Dovor (UK)

I assume it would be the French ??

As you seem to think that the UK is responsible for Calais

I have assumed that you are if the opinion that the french are in charge
Of Dovor ???

You assume a lot but appear to know very little. Suits the narrative though.
I am aware of the need to keep posts very short for you.

 

[Pat ex]

Thats not the definition - its as simple as this:
are you 1 at sea and 2 carrying more than 12 passengers. The construction or fee paying element is irrelevant.

The moment you become a passenger ship, you have a whole bunch of regs to comply with.

As I've already said, several times now, it's pointless quoting laws and regulations if it's not possible to prosecute the owner or the master of the vessel.
Sure they can charge the criminal gangs for endangering lives, among other charges. Moaning about refugees contravening passenger ship laws is pointless.

 

[Pat ex]

How many did they arrest?

I suspect the loss of the boat hurt them much more than any prosecution would have done.
If the French police arrest all the itinerant people in and around the beach, it would be counter-productive.
The UK pay France to help stop asylum seekers reaching UK, not to fill up French prisons with asylum seekers. Neither do they pay to control French law or French politics.
If UK wish to pay France to fill up the prisons with asylum seekers, I suspect it would cost far more than what is currently paid.
Then there would be the public outcry, globally I suspect.

 

[Pat ex]

As you seem to think that the UK is responsible for Calais

That's motorbiking's train of thought.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I suspect the loss of the boat hurt them much more than any prosecution would have done.
If the French police arrest all the itinerant people in and around the beach, it would be counter-productive.
The UK pay France to help stop asylum seekers reaching UK, not to fill up French prisons with asylum seekers. Neither do they pay to control French law or French politics.
If UK wish to pay France to fill up the prisons with asylum seekers, I suspect it would cost far more than what is currently paid.
Then there would be the public outcry, globally I suspect.

And surely arresting those organising the trafficking gangs makes more sense?
Sometimes you just collect information

 

[Pat ex]

MMSI 227801100 is a French warship that basically runs back and forth across that areas looking for trouble. When it finds an unregistered inflatable passenger ship (shall we call it) heading for the UK it escorts it to the half way mark and calls the UK SARS vessels to intercept. Usually its MMSI 232002480 that responds.

How do you know this?
Was it in the Mail?

 

[Mottie]

Pat and Carman would make a good tag wrestling team. They’re so in synch with each other it’s untrue.

 

[Justin Passing]

MMSI 227801100 is a French warship that basically runs back and forth across that areas looking for trouble. When it finds an unregistered inflatable passenger ship (shall we call it) heading for the UK it escorts it to the half way mark and calls the UK SARS vessels to intercept. Usually its MMSI 232002480 that responds.

I've previously posted the intercepting ground tracks of these vessels, much to the horror of those on here who didn't believe it.

Border force have a habit of switching off their tracks when on operations.



Thats not the definition - its as simple as this:
are you 1 at sea and 2 carrying more than 12 passengers. The construction or fee paying element is irrelevant.

The moment you become a passenger ship, you have a whole bunch of regs to comply with.

Currently it's going east, east of Calais. SO it's easy for anyone to avoid it or intercept to arrange a lift. How's it helping?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Pat and Carman would make a good tag wrestling team. They’re so in synch with each other it’s untrue.

Just by asking, and pointing things out?

Tag team or just open minds. Feel free to counter, point out all the benefits brexi t has brought us, especially the control of borders bit?

 

[Pat ex]

Feel free to counter, point out all the benefits brexi t has brought us, especially the control of borders bit?

No shortages in UK shops because they haven't implemented the checks yet.

 

[motorbiking]

How do you know this?
Was it in the Mail?

1. its published information that anyone with an AIS or online ship tracker can use to track the movements - Justin Passing managed to find the info.
2. I've no idea, what is in the daily mail.

Here is the last few days of the two vessels.

That's motorbiking's train of thought.

Nope - its the responsibility of the French. It seems that certain UK based SARS charities seem to think its their responsibility to escort the rubber passenger ships. I do agree that we need to work together better, but all the time they can push a problem on to us, that wont happen. Perhaps we should do a joint off-shore processing centre with the French?

Currently it's going east, east of Calais. SO it's easy for anyone to avoid it or intercept to arrange a lift. How's it helping?

Yes its quite strange - it would be rare for the UK equiv. to publish their info. Its almost like the French want people to see where they are and aren't patrolling. I suspect they are mostly on SARS ops. But in any case a home made rubber passenger ship with 40 on-board and a 10hp motor hasn't really got the ability to avoid anyone, once it sets sail.

 

[noseall]

How many did they arrest?

What did they do that was illegal? Littering?

 

[Pat ex]

MMSI 227801100 is a French warship that basically runs back and forth across that areas looking for trouble. When it finds an unregistered inflatable passenger ship (shall we call it) heading for the UK it escorts it to the half way mark and calls the UK SARS vessels to intercept. Usually its MMSI 232002480 that responds.

How do you know this?
Was it in the Mail?

1. its published information that anyone with an AIS or online ship tracker can use to track the movements - Justin Passing managed to find the info.
2. I've no idea, what is in the daily mail.

Here is the last few days of the two vessels.


Nope - its the responsibility of the French. It seems that certain UK based SARS charities seem to think its their responsibility to escort the rubber passenger ships. I do agree that we need to work together better, but all the time they can push a problem on to us, that wont happen. Perhaps we should do a joint off-shore processing centre with the French?

1. its published information that anyone with an AIS or online ship tracker can use to track the movements - Justin Passing managed to find the info.

You have avoided answering the pertinent bit:
When it finds an unregistered inflatable passenger ship (shall we call it) heading for the UK it escorts it to the half way mark and calls the UK SARS vessels to intercept.

Nope - its the responsibility of the French. It seems that certain UK based SARS charities seem to think its their responsibility to escort the rubber passenger ships. I do agree that we need to work together better, but all the time they can push a problem on to us, that wont happen. Perhaps we should do a joint off-shore processing centre with the French?

Rescuing people in distress in the French territorial waters is the responsibility of the French, I agree.
Similarly it is the responsibility of the British to rescue those in distress in UK waters.
The problem arises by determining who or what is in distress. How do forcibly board a boat that is not, in its own opinion, in distress?

But I don't think the French are in a blame-game over the asylum seekers. I suspect they're prepared to oblige the UK, as much as the UK is prepared to pay for. When it becomes obvious to the UK that accepting we need to contribute to the global refugee problem, and that is better value for money than paying the French, we might regain some national credibility.

Perhaps we should do a joint off-shore processing centre with the French?

Perhaps we should be prepared to contribute to the global refugee 'problem' according to our ability. But we both know that won't happen.

 

[noseall]

All this from porkie pier Noseall

And yet you can't find any. Funny dat.