873,784 vaccinated in a day

[Notch7]

But then what should we expect from a brexit voter who has effectively admitted he was too thick to understand the issue!

And what should we expect from an anti vaxxer that can't understand the riskmfrom Covid is higher the the risk from the vaccine.

Go on Ellal, let's hear your facts and evidence that back up your reasoning the Covid vaccine is too risky to take.....so far you've come up with Zilch.

 

[Notch7]

I agree. He has got a certain something about him though. He could be dressed by the finest tailors in the world but he’ll still look a mess.
But at a function, people can’t help but like him. Look at him at EU meetings compared with May. They loved him but ignored May.
Later he’ll make a fortune on the after dinner speech circuit

Being more interesting than May is hardly a compliment.

 

[transam]

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[Vinty]

Boris sings about his sex life.

 

[ellal]

And what should we expect from an anti vaxxer that can't understand the riskmfrom Covid is higher the the risk from the vaccine.

Go on Ellal, let's hear your facts and evidence that back up your reasoning the Covid vaccine is too risky to take.....so far you've come up with Zilch.

So which 'bridge' head have you got on now?

Which jab are you going to choose, and why? Which is best?

Or will you even be given a choice?

But hey, you have the right to blindly swallow everything you are told...

Interestingly, the figures on this 'virus' may not be what they seem...

Linky Linky

 

[noseall]

But at a function, people can’t help but like him.

Jen Arcuri wasted little time. He was easy bait for her. One thing you can say about Bozza is that he will never be accused of being deep and meaningful.

 

[Notch7]

So which 'bridge' head have you got on now?

Which jab are you going to choose, and why? Which is best?

Or will you even be given a choice?

But hey, you have the right to blindly swallow everything you are told...

Interestingly, the figures on this 'virus' may not be what they seem...

Linky Linky

Mmm, this post of yours does not address the key point at all

Come on Ellal, post your evidence that says the vaccine is more risky than the virus.

By the way, failures in tes and trace labs have nothing to do with vaccine efficacy.

Hospital admissions are a far more useful indicator.

 

[ellal]

Mmm, this post of yours does not address the key point at all

Come on Ellal, post your evidence that says the vaccine is more risky than the virus.

By the way, failures in tes and trace labs have nothing to do with vaccine efficacy.

Hospital admissions are a far more useful indicator.

But test errors may well mean that the 'virus' is no worse than the flu, and the death rate would seem to suggest that...

Have you any evidence to say that the 'vaccine(s)' don't have any long term effects?

And as I said, which one will be choosing?

And will you be taking the 'booster' in the autumn?

Personally I don't particularly fear this 'virus' (or any of the future ones lined up), but then life is a terminal illness...

Do you think losing your life because routine treatment/diagnosis of other treatable diseases has been cut back is worse than the 'risk' that the 'virus' poses?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Do you think losing your life because routine treatment/diagnosis of other treatable diseases has been cut back is worse than the 'risk' that the 'virus' poses?

The criteria of dying from Covid, compared to dying of other treatable disease wasn't the criteria. The criteria was having sufficient staff and bed capacity to cater for all. Additionally, no-one could assess how long the potential risk of dying from Covid would persist.

The potential for deaths due to Covid, now that is a different criteria. That risk could easily have been double the current death rate in the same time-frame, and that is not taking into account the increased risk of multiple variants being developed, nor any delay in developing a working vaccine.

So it was really about comparing a reasonable predictable risk against a totally unpredictable, and potentially far greater risk.

 

[ellal]

The criteria of dying from Covid, compared to dying of other treatable disease wasn't the criteria.

So it was really about comparing a reasonable predictable risk against a totally unpredictable, and potentially far greater risk.

Tell that to the families of those who have and will die of treatable diseases!

 

[Notch7]

But test errors may well mean that the 'virus' is no worse than the flu, and the death rate would seem to suggest that..

That makes no sense.

Testing only shows if a person is positive or not for Covid. It is a data gathering exercise to help with decision making.

Death rates do not suggest that.

Covid sceptics love to use death rates as their argument, but when taken in context with: hospital admissions, number of healthcare workers that have died, number of people suffering long term health issues post Covid.....all add up to it being far far worse than flu.

 

[Notch7]

Have you any evidence to say that the 'vaccine(s)' don't have any long term effects

In a pandemic we don't have the luxury of waiting years to find out, do we?
However the vaccines have been fully tested, same as any other vaccine and 100s of millions of Covid vaccines have been done.....any serious concerns would be likely to have become known by now.

What we do have is historical data from previous vaccines.

From centre of disease control, USA:

"There is solid medical and scientific evidence that the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks. Despite this, there have been concerns about the safety of vaccines for as long as they have been available in the U.S. This page will explain past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned"

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html




Is there any evidence of long terms effects from getting Covid?
Answer = yes.


Tell me Ellal, would you prefer Covid or Covid vaccine?

 

[Notch7]

Do you think losing your life because routine treatment/diagnosis of other treatable diseases has been cut back is worse than the 'risk' that the 'virus' poses

A common false choice argument used by Covid sceptics.

During the peak in Jan this year, hospitals had to take over operating theatres, acute wards, children's wards.

If routine appointments had not been cancelled and hospitals not taken infection control measures to separate out Covid and non Covid patients.....the number of hospital, admissions for Covid would've been even higher....causing even more disruption.

 

[IT Minion]

Even with scaled back services the level of hospital acquired infections was pretty awful. With the Kent variant and it's increased virulence it was doubly important to shelve as much routine work as possible.

 

[ellal]

In a pandemic we don't have the luxury of waiting years to find out, do we?

Then you take the 'jab' (whichever one you are offered but can't choose), and you can find out later what the consequences may be...

Nice to know there are so many eager guinea pigs around