American 2000lb bombs to commit mass slaughter

[festive]

Never happened.

Ok there's a very well known t'internet site that shows death stuff its not pleasant but just so happens but its literally full of what 'Never happened' all CGI maybe?

"The brutality and elation of Hamas militants as they killed Israeli civilians — including babies, young children and the elderly — is evident in an Israeli government compilation of videos shown to two dozen journalists...."

 

[JohnD]

Israel offers 2 month ceasefire in exchange for hostages,

"Israel"

Except that Netanyahu rejected the suggestion.

 

[festive]

So where are we in this debate? Do we ever come to an agreement or see the other points side? @JohnD i have to concur it does seem Netinyahoooo is wanting the same as Hamas etc , just to wipe out as many palestinians as possible regarding the young men there as good or as bad as Hamas. What else they gonna do all day sitting in concrete rubble?

What a giant cluster ****. Its idiot warmonger men on both sides wanting money and power, fighting a coward proxy game of chest beating war via the innocent, can't we all agree on that? Its neanderthal brainless men sh't from prehistoric times with modern weapons.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So where are we in this debate? Do we ever come to an agreement or see the other points side? @JohnD i have to concur it does seem Netinyahoooo is wanting the same as Hamas etc , just to wipe out as many palestinians as possible regarding the young men there as good or as bad as Hamas. What else they gonna do all day sitting in concrete rubble?

What a giant cluster ****. Its idiot warmonger men on both sides wanting money and power, fighting a coward proxy game of chest beating war via the innocent, can't we all agree on that? Its neanderthal brainless men sh't from prehistoric times with modern weapons.

Yes.

It's not just 1 side that's at fault. I thought that was the point being made, that some will not accept .

For me, war crimes are war crimes, regardless of which side (good or bad) commits them.

Once you accept that Israel is not good in this conflict you see a much bigger clearer picture. But it's a very big step for some, as this thread shows

 

[Odds]

What a giant cluster ****. Its idiot warmonger men on both sides wanting money and power, fighting a coward proxy game of chest beating war via the innocent, can't we all agree on that? Its neanderthal brainless men sh't from prehistoric times with modern weapons.

Neanderthals were more intelligent than that.

 

[JohnD]

Neanderthals were more intelligent than that.

Most animals have a genetic inhibition that prevents them killing their own species, especially mothers and young.

To overcome this, fascists and racists convince themselves that their enemies are "subhuman" or "animals"

You see this spouted a lot in the Knesset.

Outside Israel, the propaganda machine tries not to be so blatant, as it reflects badly on them, now that (in much of the world) racism and fascism are recognised for what they are.

Loudly shouted denials are less effective to people who know what's really going on

Which explains Israel's policy of exterminating journalists in Gaza.

 

[Trazor]

That is certainly the story that Israel wants to convey, but it is the opposite of what has been happening for over 70 years, and is happening today..

I guess you find it easy to write lies.

It takes a special sort of Regev to portray the perpetrator as the victim.

Hamas in its own words.

You are being redirected...

www.adl.org

 

[JohnD]

Hamas in its own words.

Actually, in the words of Israel's propaganda machine.

I think you have not checked the Hamas Charter recently.

I notice with interest that you wish the reader to believe that killing civilians, children, doctors, aid workers and journalists is justified. When did you decide that random citizens are Hamas fighters?

How long have you believed that mass killing of children and civillians is acceptable? Was it the day before, or the day after, fighters broke through the Ghetto wall?

 

[JohnD]

Hamas in its own words

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

 

[JohnD]

To overcome this, fascists and racists convince themselves that their enemies are "subhuman" or "animals"

A few examples.

There are thousands more.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-deputy-defense-minister-called-palestinians-animals/

‘Palestinians are animals’ — Why many Jewish Israelis approve settler pogrom

Many in Israel approved of the settler “pogrom” against Huwwara because they regard Palestinians as “animals,” a leading Israeli reporter explained to American Jews last week.

mondoweiss.net

Opinion: When an Israeli minister denies Palestinians are a people, there is little hope for peace

In a speech in France, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called Palestinians an invention, adding fuel to recent violence.

www.latimes.com

Harsh Israeli rhetoric against Palestinians becomes central to South Africa's genocide case

Comments about fighting human animals, making Gaza a slaughterhouse, and erasing the Gaza Strip completely are key components of the case.

apnews.com

 

[JohnD]

“Words lead to deeds,” said Michael Sfard, a prominent Israeli lawyer. “Words that normalize or legitimize serious crimes against civilians create the social, political and moral basis for other people to do things like that.”

The genocide case against Israel opened last week at the International Court of Justice at The Hague. South Africa is looking to prove that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and that Israel has specific intent to commit genocide. It is using the litany of harsh statements as part of the evidence in its case"

"Two days after the Hamas attack, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Israel was “fighting human animals,” in announcing a complete siege on Gaza.

Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.

AP news

 

[Vinty]

Ok there's a very well known t'internet site that shows death stuff its not pleasant but just so happens but its literally full of what 'Never happened' all CGI maybe?

"The brutality and elation of Hamas militants as they killed Israeli civilians — including babies, young children and the elderly — is evident in an Israeli government compilation of videos shown to two dozen journalists...."

I was referring to stories of beheaded babies and babies ripped out of womens wombs.
Joe Biden claimed he saw pictures of beheaded babies, his own staff then backtracked and said that he hadn't seen them at all.
According to the latest figures around 36 children died in Hamas attack, 2 of them below 1 year old.

14 kids under 10, 25 people over 80: Up-to-date breakdown of Oct 7 victims we know about | The Times of Israel

www-timesofisrael-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[JohnD]

I was referring to stories of beheaded babies and babies ripped out of womens wombs.
Joe Biden claimed he saw pictures of beheaded babies, his own staff then backtracked and said that he hadn't seen them at all.
According to the latest figures around 36 children died in Hamas attack, 2 of them below 1 year old.

Does the Times of Israel say it is in favour of killing babies, or opposed?

 

[Vinty]

Unless it’s a very big one like the ones they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Fair point.
It could also be because the Russians declared war on Japan.
The first bomb didn't have the desired effect, thats why they had to drop another.
Most of Japan knew nothing about the bombings.

 

[Odds]

“Words lead to deeds,” said Michael Sfard, a prominent Israeli lawyer. “Words that normalize or legitimize serious crimes against civilians create the social, political and moral basis for other people to do things like that.”


Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.

AP news