boilermate 2000 condensing boiler

[rollover]

Hi

I have a boilermate 2000 and have just had my old boiler replaced with a Vaillant Ecotec plus 418. My plumber has given up because he has no experiance of the boilermate 2000.

The boiler seem to go from 75 c to 85 up to 100 c then make a noise that does not seen to good.

I have had one error saying pump or flow and return may be wrong (I am sure that they are correct).

Now the power to the boiler has gone (just to the boiler everything else seems to be working as it should). Also the SWITCH is not working.

I would be very happy for any advise but my question is, have I got the wrong boiler for my Boilermate and what I should do for the best.

Thanks Rollover

 

[Boilerman2]

You should have fitted a Standard boiler i.e NOT A SYSTEM BOILER
I think you have put in a system boiler with built in pump there is already a pump fitted at the boilermate so the two are probably fighting one-another the Vaillant may well need a permanent live which it possibly hasn't got?

I would get some one to have a look at the installation and give a second opinion which is not really possilbe to do on a Web Forum!

 

[mickyg]

418 is a heat only boiler, so that bits fine. But matching condensers to Gledhill boilermates and getting them to work properly is problematic. A vaillant 400 series wouldnt have been my choice tbh. I've got a feeling the pcb on the 2000 has gone kaput, when it does it sometimes runs the boiler and not the pump, causing overheating and alot of noise, especially on a gianonni hex. It may have taken out the pcb on the boiler, they have a habit of doing that. You need to get someone in with knowledge of boilermates to try and rescue the situation.

 

[rollover]

Thankyou for the advice.

I got advice from my plumber, an on line boiler specialist and my local Atlas before getting the 418. I told them that I had a Boilermate 2000 and specifically asked if there would be a problem.

Before ordering I asked Atlas to call Vaillant for comfermation that it would be ok. They told me it was a simple like for like. I am feeling a bit let down and out of pocket.

My 418 is to small to run the house without the boilermate so can I use it to run the heating and add a combi in the loft for hot water? Posibley link them for the winter?

The pipework is relatively simple becouse of were the boilermate is.

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[rollover]

The Vaillant has a thermastic pump and the boilermate has a timed pump.

So unless I can get the boiler to run the pump I will have to rip one out.

Not sure which?

 

[Andygasman2010]

Can't see why this wouldn't work properly, just make sure everything is wire/piped up correctly.

 

[mickyg]

You should be able to get it to work....just..I suspect there's a fault somewhere. As i said get someone in with good knowledge of Gledhill boilermates.
The pump overrun is and should be controlled by the boilermate, not ideal, but there we go.

 

[Corgigrouch]

Boilermates were a good idea, badly excecuted so I would have taken the opportunity to remove the Gledhill in favour of an unvented cylinder... I'm not at all sure that it is correct to argue that the boiler is too small for your home and so you need the Boilermate... If it is too small, then it is too small

 

[rollover]

Finding a plumber that has even heard of a boilermate or thermal store is proving difficult.

The Boilermate instructions recommend a smaller boiler because of its efficiency. If I had gone any bigger they wanted 25mm pipe.

I have looked at the Vaillant Unistor 180 recomended to work with the ecotec plus 418. It is a similar system so hopefully it will ok.

 

[gas4you]

Bloody boilermate 2000's Have hundreds on my patch, even one at home

PITA with some faults others very easy.

Turn off all power to boilermate, remove front panel, locate pcb, although they call it an acb .

3/4 up on left of board you will see a row of 3 'jumpers', at present on 1,3 & 4.

Remove one and put on 5.

Turn on power and check the green led sequence at the bottom of the board is as per instructions.

Also feel each pump is spinning when it should on test.

Turn off all power again and return 'jumpers' to original pins.

I wouldn't have paired this with a 418. They are a PITA at the best of times and need a ridiculously high flow through them when on.

Have had a few acb's fault that have stopped the pump over run, even at intermittent times.

 

[rollover]

Had plumber round and we are going to sneak up and kill it on Friday and put the Vaillant Unistor in.

Thanks for all the help and advice.

 

[puddy]

Gledhill have breakdown insurance for £90 a year.

Your heating installer may have killed the boilermate2000 by not removing 2 of the large fuse's I think they are 25 or 32amp located left hand side 1/4 way down.

If they are not pulled while refilling the thermal store and its turned to heat the store by electric it will blow the small fuse on the circuit board (its looks like a black spot and is easily missed push in and turn to remove the fuse) killing the mains power to your new boiler.

The boilermate 2000 has a manual air vent which helps fill the store quicker but all the air must be bleed from the radiators and Boilermate 2000 otherwise it can kill the pumps and there are 3 of them

Gledhill do a fix price repair

Total Trade services who replaced my old oil boiler on the warm front grant caused over £900 (parts & Labour) damage to my boilermate 2000

 

[Corgigrouch]

Can't comment on the fixed price repair from Gledhill, the price seems to change depending on what day it is.... Besides there are parts of the country where Gledhill won't cover as they say that they don't have engineers in that area.... Parts availabillity for them is "Luck of the draw" and I have had more than my fair share of duff new parts...

 

[gas4you]

Gledhill have breakdown insurance for £90 a year.

Your heating installer may have killed the boilermate2000 by not removing 2 of the large fuse's I think they are 25 or 32amp located left hand side 1/4 way down.

If they are not pulled while refilling the thermal store and its turned to heat the store by electric it will blow the small fuse on the circuit board (its looks like a black spot and is easily missed push in and turn to remove the fuse) killing the mains power to your new boiler.

The boilermate 2000 has a manual air vent which helps fill the store quicker but all the air must be bleed from the radiators and Boilermate 2000 otherwise it can kill the pumps and there are 3 of them

Gledhill do a fix price repair

Total Trade services who replaced my old oil boiler on the warm front grant caused over £900 (parts & Labour) damage to my boilermate 2000

Not all Boilermate 2000 have the 'switch' that yours has, so will not then have the two 24amp fuses.

The power for the acb and 'normal' heating side comes off the 'in' side of the 24 amp fuse, then goes to its own 5 amp fuse, so removing these 24 amp fuses will not help protect the acb or normal heating side.

God knows what these muppets did to cause that much damage

 

[puddy]

God knows what these muppets did to cause that much damage

They switched it to backup settings when there was air in the system and because they did not wait for the thermal store to fill itself it took out the heating element and the pumps x3 burnt out as there was no water in them.

They also short circuited the wiring from the boiler which took out the circuit board on the boilermate 2000

Total Trade Services quoted 2 ½ days to replace the boiler and fit a new oil tank they started on 24th Jan and they have still not finished