Contactless bathroom light switches

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Has any one had any experience of these?

http://www.sensor.co.uk/

Am a tad worried about replacement hastles if they are behind the tiles

Or can you recommend anything other than pull cords???
 
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You can use a normal plate switch as long as it's outside the zones in the bathroom (ie at least 0.6m from the bath or shower tray).
 
Thanks for that.

The bathroom is only 2x2m and it would be about 1m from the bath.

I would rather not use a normal 240v switch for safey reasons though (stoopid kids...)
 
I hear ya brother - I wouldn't have a normal switch in my bathroom either. If you really don't fancy a pull-switch, why not go for the sensorbility one that fits in a standard backbox with a blanking plate over it http://www.sensor.co.uk/switches/replacement/ - no need to bury it behind tiles or anything then, so easy to get to if it goes tits-up.
 
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Also, it looks like those sensor thingies need a neutral - you probably don't have one at you switch at the moment, although if you're renovating it's not a big deal to add one.
 
Or can you recommend anything other than pull cords???
A direct replacement for a pullcord:


On special offer at TLC for £18.40 + the dreaded.

Or a recessed version which you'll hardly notice:


TLC again, £36.50 + the dreaded.
 
Thanks again.

SHE has decided that she would like it to be behind a tile....
 
IIRC they reccomend fixing the tile over the sensor on with silicone so it can be removed relatively easily.
 
Thanks steve

My only concern with the PIR option is that unless you have the time set high they have a habit of turning off if you like spending a long in the bath.
 
thanks plugwash

I notice that they recommend a tile thickness of 4mm, mine will be 6/7mm, do you think this will be an issue???

If so and i cut a hole in the tile an insert some kind of metal blanking plate would this actually be better? The advantages would be making it easier to find the sensor and the ability to remove the plate if it dies. The tiles are rather large.
 
Tell HER that if SHE insists on it being behind a fecking tile, then SHE can be the one to remove the tile and then make good when the thing breaks. :rolleyes:
 
I notice that they recommend a tile thickness of 4mm, mine will be 6/7mm, do you think this will be an issue???
Yes.

If so and i cut a hole in the tile an insert some kind of metal blanking plate would this actually be better? The advantages would be making it easier to find the sensor and the ability to remove the plate if it dies. The tiles are rather large.
Wouldnt this negate the point of having an invisible switch?

And think about your poor guests. We have a bathroom door with a round knob and central thumbturn lock. Our guests have great difficulty working this one out! If we told them to touch a tile to turn on the lights, they'd look at us like we had 2 heads. Their head would explode with this odd information.

Seriously, stick to the bleedin' obvious - its easier.
 
Morning All,

I've got four of these in the house - two sensor switches, one dimmer & one bathroom switch.

They're installed behind tiles, making sure that they are isolated from damp grout by fixing the tile with silicone. Damp affects the capacitance and has strange effects. As they're behind the tiles, then strictly speaking they're not in the bathroom, so can be treated as "outside the zones". I DI'd them by silconing an old credit card to the tile, and then siliconing the switch to that.

They all work well, but have different sensitivities - ie they switch at different distances between the hand and the tile. The dimmer takes a bit of getting used to. Occasionally, a light will switch off for no reason, but touching the tile always turns it on again.

Things to think about in the installation:

1. The LV switches need protecting by a fast blow 2A fuse. The mfr can supply these, but they are cheap & nasty; the sort of inline fuse you would expect to get in Motorworld. Finding somewhere to put it can be a pain as well. I eventually used these in a little DIN rail enclosure:

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electric...fuseholders-for-10-x-38mm-fuses/35047/kw/fuse

http://cpc.farnell.com/bussmann/ktk-2/fuse-fast-acting-2a/dp/FF01107

They don't have a BS number, so strictly speaking can't be used as the sole means of overload/SC protection, but if the light cct is already conventionally protected (eg B6 MCB) then that's ok.

Make sure it's accessible; believe me, you will need to change the fuse when an incandescant blows...

2. The LV switches all have screwed connections, meaning that they should be accessible for maintainance. I've stretched a point by reasoning that the tiles can be removed with a stanley knife.

3. The LV switches can't switch cfl's. They need a minimum 40w load as well. I tried using one to switch a contactor for some cfl's and a 300w mirror heater, but the rate of voltage rise is quite slow (gives a nice soft start effect !) and caused the contactor to buzz. Solution was to use the "bathroom sw" which has a relay 230V op, and a ELV switch (5V I think).

4. The bathroom switch box is a PITA to work with. It's made of hard plastic, and the cable entries are too small for 1.5mm 6424Y cable, so it's hard work with file/stanley knife/sandpaper to make them big enough. Bell wire (for the switch) would fit but as the wire comes into an enclosure where LV is present, the cable must be insulated for LV, so you're back to 6424Y cable.

5. Then you realise that the lid has a lip, which means more scraping...

6. Then you realise that the pillars for the fixing screws for the lid are directly in line with cable entries...

7. Finally, the tunnels for the fixing screws are too narrow for the bit holder on your drill.

8. The LV switch has some tails, but they are fine stranded 0.5 or 0.75mm2 flex, so joining them to t&e is interesting. I put a boot lace ferrule on them, and then used red butt crimps. You could use chock blocks, but remember to allow access for maintainance.

9. Don't put them where they can be splashed or use dripping wet hands to switch them. Think about where they'll be !

The chap at sensor switch is very helpful - gave me plenty of advice over the phone when the dimmer wouldn't work (manufacturing error !) and allowed me to exchange one ofthe switches for a bathroom switch (with extra £££ !), even though I had already installed it. Got most of the silicone off !

All in all, they're pretty good, though the detail design (to faciltate installation and make it easier to comply with BS7671) could be improved.

Everybody who sees them is impressed; particularly as my wife commissioned some 6" tiles for the switches that cost more than the switches !

Hope this helps, David
 
As an update

(just found this on google when searching for info regarding standard switches in bathrooms)

I did fit the switch and have been happy with it for the last four years.

The only minor annoyance is that in the winter if a lot of steam is generated, the tile becomes wet and can cause the light to switch on and off. The makers recommended applying a silicone car windscreen wash over the tile. No something that I have done yet (I don't own a car).

I would however still recommend them as a suitable alternative to pull cords.
 
Hallo Opps,

Mine have been in a bit longe than yours, but working perfectly.

Don't have the condensation problem (wife puts stats between "Little Boy" and "Sun") and I use Rolls-Royce Trent XWB as extractors !

Only issue I have is splashes turning lights on & off. Now that we've got kids aged 2 & 4, then bath time can be a bit, well, wet really. I don't wind them up, at all, oh no, not me...I just teach them about the Battle of the Atlantic (with realistic recreations...).

Happy switching, David
 

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