EV are they worth it?


It would be more accurate to say "currently economically-viable lithium reserves".

It'll happen (y)
Battery technology will move on rapidly.

In 20 years time, we'll be making batteries out of Nitrogen and cow's livers that run for 500 miles on a 30 minute charge.
 
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So, a new engine rather than a conversion, which would have been more interesting.

Less torque than a diesel, let alone electric which can deliver more torque.

Lean fuel-air mix to reduce NOX, at the cost of compression ratio (and some torque).

They've effectively ended development on their diesel engines.

Still have the noise and vibration of a combustion engine. Although slightly changed.

100kg of hydrogen in a bowser, he thinks 3,000 litres of volume.

Efficiency wise Fuel cells and electric motors are generally twice as efficient as diesel.

$3 a kg (needed for price parity with Diesel )isn't forecast in the near future. Prices of $5-8 in 2030 are expected but that's not pump price, that's the equivalent of well prices. At the moment it costs an insane $33 a kg at the pumps, up from a previous price of $15. But even at cost parity with Diesel it's twice to three times more expensive than a battery electric.

6 kg of hydrogen a day is roughly similar to 200kWh of electricity (33kWh per kg). That's not a huge battery these days. Even if it were swappable batteries already exist and are for sale for farm equipment.

At current real world prices it's five to ten times as expensive as diesel to run on dirty hydrogen.

It's an impressive technical achievement, like making a steam powered car. Impressive but ridiculous, it's like blackberry insisting that they just need a better keyboard to beat the iPhone.

It's taking a fuel cell vehicle and making it worse.
I'm not sure a fuel cell is twice as efficient as a diesel, to be honest. That would make them about 75% efficient.
 
I'm not sure a fuel cell is twice as efficient as a diesel, to be honest. That would make them about 75% efficient.
In terms of energy efficiency. But it's really hard to do meaningful comparisons so I might be off.

Price is easy to compare, but it's really bad news for hydrogen so no one does it.
 
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It is the world’s biggest battery maker, it powers electric vehicles for Tesla, Volkswagen and BMW, and its EV technology is miles ahead of US offerings, say experts...China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co Limited, or CATL, is an energy storage specialist that is the world’s largest battery maker for electric vehicles (EVs). But despite the fact that the company controls nearly two-fifths of the world’s EV battery market – and has powered cars made by brands including Tesla, Volkswagen and BMW – it has long flown under the radar of US politics. Until now.

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It is the world’s biggest battery maker, it powers electric vehicles for Tesla, Volkswagen and BMW, and its EV technology is miles ahead of US offerings, say experts...China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co Limited, or CATL, is an energy storage specialist that is the world’s largest battery maker for electric vehicles (EVs). But despite the fact that the company controls nearly two-fifths of the world’s EV battery market – and has powered cars made by brands including Tesla, Volkswagen and BMW – it has long flown under the radar of US politics. Until now.

Go Green@theGraun

It's certainly a worry. On the one hand, we've become very dependent on the Chinese. On the other, nations that trade together, are less likely to go to war with each other.
 
It's certainly a worry. On the one hand, we've become very dependent on the Chinese.

China was trying to corner the market in rare minerals until America, the UK and EU woke up to the fact our global economy cannot function without them. By then the Chinese had a head start and while the UKs trade deal with Vietnam (the worlds 2nd largest supplier of RE minerals) last year will go some way to helping regular supply, the West really needs to get hold of the issue of supply to meet the growing demand for EVs and essential computer components that will go into their construction.

On the other, nations that trade together, are less likely to go to war with each other.

That was the aim of Globalisation until Trump stuck his fat snout in the trough and sucked the life out of it with MAGA - then the UK being taken out of Europe. Look where we are now.
 
Anyone crazy enough to still be considering buying an EV should watch Lee Mack's video, and see if they still want to put their nadgers through the blender afterwards in the name of net zero. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

 
Anyone crazy enough to still be considering buying an EV should watch Lee Mack's video, and see if they still want to put their nadgers through the blender afterwards in the name of net zero. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


Gutted! I got all excited there, taking him (and you) at your word, and thinking it was worthless! I'd have happily given him a £grand in cash and done him a favour! Turns out, it's worth about £44k to the trade, so probably a bit more to a private buyer. :rolleyes:

So that's... what? 63-ish % depreciation in 3 years?

"What are the averages for car depreciation?
With so many factors contributing to the exact rate of car depreciation, there can be enormous variations within ranges of models from an individual manufacturer. So how do you know roughly what to expect?

The average car depreciation will hit hardest in the first year of ownership. Generally, the drop will be around 15-35% in the first 12 months. And that will continue to rise up to 50% or more over three years.


  • Year 1: 15-35% depreciation. 65-85% of the original value.
  • Year 3: 40-60% depreciation. 40-65% of the original value.
  • Year 5: 60-70% depreciation. 30-40% of the original value.
  • Year 8-10: 80% depreciation. 20% of the original value."



    Doesn't sound that terrible for an extreme high performance luxury vehicle? Perhaps he'd have been better-off getting himself a nice ICE 8-Series?


    Then again... maybe not... especially when he takes into account his running cost savings...:ROFLMAO:

    Basically, (Like the same absolute Muppet deadlocking himself in the car and trying to claim that was because it was an EV), this is a complete non-story...:rolleyes:
 
I thought the vid would be more entertaining - Lee Mack is usually funnier than that on telly.
 
I've seen complaints that the Porsche EVs have been holding their value unusually badly. Which is a suprise, the Taycan was supposed to be excellent, if overpriced.
 
I've seen complaints that the Porsche EVs have been holding their value unusually badly. Which is a suprise, the Taycan was supposed to be excellent, if overpriced.

They are very good indeed, however, whilst the depreciation *looks* scary, it's actually not that far off other high performance prestige ICE cars. He'd have lost more if he'd bought a new 8 Series, for example. A LOT more, once running costs had been taken into account.
 
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