Hi,my 80,000 btu Vaillant Combi is coming to the end of its life (its around 20 yrs old) so i think im going to have to bite the bullet and get a new Condensing Combi. The questions is what to go for, i've looked at the Worcester Bosch Greenstar range and was wondering if this is as good as any or if there are any problems i should know about associated with this range. Any ideas? B
New Condensing Combi?
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BigBurner
Great reports of Broag 35C on here. They are better quality, cheaper and far better specced with weather compensation - go for it.
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if you were happy with the vaillant you had already why not buy another? Broag are liked by bigburner but he has no knowledge of the trade at all. Vaillant are still the market leader imo and the backup/customer service is unbeatable.
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dangermouse its obvious your working for a manufacturer and looking after your own interest and continuously promoting the same boilers and their service charges.
Fortunately there are 1000's of self employed installers out there and we do not have to stand or promote any particular manufacturer.
Our jobs do not depend on manufacturers service calls
I have had the freedom and choice to install and service various makes of boilers and have gained enough experience regarding quality and servicebility on many boilers.
What is becoming more apparent is the arrogant approach shown by the companies that still think they are the market leaders, especially the way they price and promote their product. They seem to have forgotten that quality and servicebility should be included in their design.
WB, Glow worm are a prime example.
There are some well known no-nothings answering on hear but just 'coz they have heard of a particular boiler brand does not make that brand less superior to the ones you promote.
We are now installing Remeha's and find them a more superior boiler compared with some of the carp so called leading brands are producing.
(does that put us in the no knowledge catogory?)
As for calling manufactures out for fixed cost, how can they justify approximately £200 fix rate when fault could be as simple as a faulty thermistor?
I know there are boilers that need more expensive parts but their costs have been well and truly covered by the £200 quick fixes.
I'm still fitting and recommending Vaillants as the first choice in the mass produced market. ATAG for top quality.
I'm fitting my first Broag mid December, so this will be interesting for me.
The Broag is replacing one of the leaking Isar's that I mentioned in other posts, as it is the only decent boiler I could find of similar physical size.
Apart from early Broags having a batch of dodgy pcb's, I have so far yet to hear of any complaints about them.
Vaillant though appear to have/have had a problem with the Wilo pumps, as several have leaked internally (not seals) and tripped the boiler out.
Whats the official line on these pumps DM?
I'm fitting my first Broag mid December, so this will be interesting for me.
The Broag is replacing one of the leaking Isar's that I mentioned in other posts, as it is the only decent boiler I could find of similar physical size.
Apart from early Broags having a batch of dodgy pcb's, I have so far yet to hear of any complaints about them.
Vaillant though appear to have/have had a problem with the Wilo pumps, as several have leaked internally (not seals) and tripped the boiler out.
Whats the official line on these pumps DM?
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BigBurner
Broags are taking off all around the country. Many dealers are stocking them. What is the service and parts like?
I have seen a few installed and I am impressed by the quality - although it is rather kit like in its main parts, but good parts.
It shines in its controls: weather compensation and OpenTherm as standard. Look at this:
http://www.avantaplus.com/docs/Issue 5 -Avanta Schematics Booklet.pdf
The UFH control system is superb. It heats directly from the boiler using a weather compensator. When DHW calls the boiler runs up to maximum for a fast reheat.
....and still undercuts the likes of Vaillant. I would go for a Broag any day to the equiv Vaillant or Glow Worm...but what about parts?
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there is no offical news on the pumps as yet (as far as I know) but it is a relatively small number that have leaked, they are looking into it though.
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Just bad luck methinks, I've changed a few but it's not a common problem. (same pump on all the gw too bar the prv clip with no incidents.)
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BigBurner
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You will have to get this Dangermouse46 in order. He becomes abusive when people do not go for Vaillant boilers or recommends superior alternatives. He is overtly spamming the forum.
I have had a few Vaillant pumps break up around the bearing.
I have heard that there was a problem with water quality and a type of Wilo bearing seal, and that most of the affected range of Wilos are being fitted to Glowworm units with a revised pump being fitted to EcoTEC.
Haven't had any pump failures recently.
I have heard that there was a problem with water quality and a type of Wilo bearing seal, and that most of the affected range of Wilos are being fitted to Glowworm units with a revised pump being fitted to EcoTEC.
Haven't had any pump failures recently.
At least Dangermouse knows the products back to front he talks about and recommends.
OK the Broag is a good boiler (in fact one of my installations is featured twice in their current Avanta brochure) but I haven't seen anything that would worry a Vaillant, reliability or build quality wise.
It is priced at a cheaper price point and that is how we sell it.
Recommending boilers that you have never fitted or repaired is a strange activity on a Plumbing and Heating forum. No-one can stop you doing that, BB, but having a pop at a genuine specialist like dangermouse is a bit two faced under the circumstances.
OK the Broag is a good boiler (in fact one of my installations is featured twice in their current Avanta brochure) but I haven't seen anything that would worry a Vaillant, reliability or build quality wise.
It is priced at a cheaper price point and that is how we sell it.
Recommending boilers that you have never fitted or repaired is a strange activity on a Plumbing and Heating forum. No-one can stop you doing that, BB, but having a pop at a genuine specialist like dangermouse is a bit two faced under the circumstances.
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BigBurner
He should as he spams this product. His only reason for being here.
Get to know its control system, which ****es all over a Vaillant, and use it to its advantages. And it is cheaper. I have done a bit of looking around and parts and service OK. Satisfied that the parts and service fine, Vailant/Glow Worm can be dire, I would not look at a Vaillant as they have nothing offer.
I have no need to fit them as I am an engineer. You clearly don't understand that. An engineer is not a serviceman, despite them being called "engineers". Mr-Fixits are not engineers
I don't change pumps, rip up floor boards or screw radiators to walls. Others do that.
Dangermouse is spamming a product - Vaillant. On installations the Mr-Fixits are totally out of their depths, but boy they know all the answers. This fool thinks installations is just screwing rads to walls and only the boiler and its burner matters. If only.
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exactly what qualifications do you have as you claim to be an engineer but don't service, repair or install? What you do is flick through brochures and look at all the pretty pictures and pretend to know what your talking about.
How much do you claim to earn as a brochure flicker?
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