Pro-Palestine Protests

[Justin Passing]

It appears to me that From Israel's point of view, all Gazans support Hamas which wants to destroy Israel which is why Hamas keeps sending rockets.
All of them are guilty. So Israel wants Hamas and people who support Hamas gone and they don't care about them, so dead will do.
Out of 2,000,000 population of Gaza, there's around 1,970,000 to go, then.
If the IDF are certain all the fighters and their arms and their infrastructure are gone, IDF might stop, or they'd more likely carry on hitting "targets" to try to make sure nothing new springs up.
I'm not expecting anything else, from where things are now.

 

[ajohn]

A new form of Palestinian support. Egypt has decided to back SA's action at the ICC due to escalating levels of Israeli violence.

 

[Vinty]

But hey guys, if these civvys aren't being killed by Jews, that's ok, isn't it?

The difference could be that America and Europe are complicit in Israels conflict with the Palestinians,
As far as I know the Americans didn't supply Assad with the weapons kill the rebels who were trying to overthrow his government.

 

[transam]

“1 death is catastrophe thousands are a stastic”

Joe Stalin

 

[Vinty]

. Already the figures are being modified after analysis by 'experts' found that some of the figures are plainly wrong and not possible.

How can anything be verified in the middle of a war.
Who are these experts?
I suppose a team of boffins from the ministry are wandering around Gaza with a tape measure and calculator measuring bomb craters to work out how many died.
It stands to reason, that if you drop 1000 pound bombs on an area as as densely populated as Gaza, then people are going to die.
In Gaza the laws of natural selection would dictate that the weakest will die first.
If all the young Hamas fighters are hiding in tunnels, that's means the non combatants,such as the old, the disabled, pregnant woman and children will bear the brunt of Israeli retaliation
The fact that an old geezer can't run as fast as a young clued up Hamas operative means his chances of survival are less.

No one really knows how many have died.

 

[JohnD]

Filly wants to spread some fog, in the hope that it will make Israel's racism, apartheid and genocide seem more acceptable.

 

[Bod ...]

If all the young Hamas fighters are hiding in tunnels, that's means the non combatants,such as the old, the disabled, pregnant woman and children will bear the brunt of Israeli retaliation

But can't you see this is where these marching are getting this massively wrong.
Protest against Israel but also protest against the Evil that is Hamas.

I think Israel have gone the wrong way about this but they do feel the world cares nout about the Israeli deaths on October 7 . So fùçk it is their attitude.

 

[Odds]

Has DIYnot set a trend?

On social media and in the streets, critics no longer call out supporters of the state of Israel as “pro-Israel”: they call them Zionist. Some university encampments have posted signs saying: “Zionists not allowed.” Student protesters say that their criticisms of Zionism are rooted in the state of Israel’s displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Pro-Israel activists have responded by defending the term. “If the last six months on campus have taught us anything, it is that a large and vocal population of the Columbia community does not understand the meaning of Zionism,” a group of more than 500 Columbia University students recently wrote. “We are proud to be Zionists.”

The shift in opinions on Zionism has been particularly confusing for many Jewish Americans. Though 58% of Jewish Americans describe themselves as Zionist, according to a 2022 survey conducted by Carleton University political scientist Mira Sucharov, the term means vastly different things to different people. A majority see Zionism as signifying a connection to Israel (about 70%), and about just as many view it as a belief in Israel as a Jewish and democratic state (72%), while a small minority describe it as “privileging Jewish rights over non-Jewish rights in Israel” (10%). Recent polling of Americans more broadly shows that many are unfamiliar with the term...

The Guardian

 

[ajohn]

The police in Amsterdam have broken up a uni demo using riot gear. Even some Israeli injured. Seems there are others in the country so looks like this one was singled out.

 

[ThaBoom]

Filly wants to spread some fog, in the hope that it will make Israel's racism, apartheid and genocide seem more acceptable.

I bet Filly is jumping up and down seeing these scenes.

These ppl are not even human.

 

[ajohn]

These ppl are not even human.

Benjamin set the scene early on. No food, no water, no electricity. Other politicians keep feeding various things in. One is that current HAMAS are the children of the ones that caused a flair up last time so this time meed to kill the lot. It seems the last major flair up was in 200x. Lasted 11days and some sort of end negotiated. However there is a general hiistory of bombs being used. Eg the press tower and specific areas such as the place that is being attacked again in the north. It has the most densley populated refugee camp in the strip. Refugee camps have a tendency to figure in the attacks.

The UN now reckon getting near to 1/2million people have left Rafar. Various areas are being attacked. Sounds like a step up in activity. Also given the people moving may be part of the "plan".

The aid being interfered with is from Jordan.

 

[Odds]

Nobody likes to give credence to the claims made by Momentum and anti-semitic groups but sometimes you have to wonder about the way Jewish lobbies and big business compliment each others interests...

A handful of powerful businessmen pushed New York City Mayor Eric Adams to use police to crack down on pro-Palestinian student protesters at Columbia University, donating to the politician and offering to pay for private investigators to help break up the demonstrations, the Washington Post has reported, based on leaked WhatsApp conversations. The story, published on Thursday, says that several billionaires seeking to influence public perception of Israel’s war in Gaza discussed means of pushing the mayor and the university’s president to end the protests, which were eventually cleared last month amid criticism of the police’s heavy-handed response.

Earlier this week, a union representing about 48,000 graduate student workers in California, authorised a strike over the treatment of student protesters at universities such as the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), where a pro-Israel mob attacked a pro-Palestine encampment with metal pipes and mace while police stood by. Several pro-Palestine activists were hospitalised.

Al Jazeera

 

[Odds]

...and not only, but also:

Activists have accused the government’s independent adviser on political violence of a conflict of interest, after it emerged that he had lobbying links to companies that would benefit from curbs to protesting. John Woodcock, formerly a Labour MP and now a crossbench peer, has prepared a review of “far-left” involvement in disruptive protest, which includes activism against climate change and war. At the same time, he has been chairing and advising lobby groups representing arms manufacturers and fossil fuel firms.

Woodcock’s review is due to be released next week, more than three years after it was commissioned. Over the weekend he said that, among about 40 recommendations, it would propose bans on at least two protest groups, naming Just Stop Oil, the climate activist campaign, and Palestine Action, which acts against arms companies that supply Israel’s military. Woodcock’s entries in the Lords’ register of interests show he is paid to act as the chair of the Purpose Business Coalition, an organisation run by the PR and lobbying firm Crowne Associates, which counts the oil company BP and the arms company Leonardo among its clients.

the Guardian

So, he wants to proscribe protest groups who 'break the law' during demonstrations but when the Home Secretary can alter existing laws to stack up against protesters in the governments favour who really serves the democracy in which we live?

 

[ellal]

who really serves the democracy in which we live?

But we don't live in a democracy...

Only the very stupid brainwashed folk still believe that

 

[carmanmemoranda]

But we don't live in a democracy...

Only the very stupid brainwashed folk still believe that

Not quite true but I understand your point.

As somebody (not sure who) said. The difference between democracy and a dictatorship is that you can speak out against democracy.

Until the right to protest disappears of course