Quick check on part P compliance

[ChrisRyan]

Hi there, thanks for the help so far I have picked up on various bits of this forum as a lurker.

Anyway, 2 quick questions on Part P as I am not sure I fully understand the implications of it.
I am doing the bathroom at the minute and installing an extractor fan, however this is an inline fan so only a hole in the wall and a plastic cover will be within the "special area", the fan itself is going to be in the loft space above. Am I correct in assuming this is not something requiring inspection?

Similarly, installation of recessed ceiling lights, not above the bath but will be above the sink and centre of the bathroom at a height of 2.4 metres (basically a T shape of 5 spotlights)
This is the bit I don't fully understand. How does this bit work? Its ok for a knackered 35 year old fitting that was originally there when the house was built but not ok to put a couple of holes in the ceiling for new lights?

 

[securespark]

TBF, it's more than a couple of holes!!

 

[Taylortwocities]

Re your original query ref Part P..

It is the new work that has to comply with new regulations.

So, I am afraid.......

Its electrical work
Its in a special location (bathroom)
Its therefore notifiable

You should have notified before starting work - or use a registered electrician to do the work for you.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Its electrical work
Its in a special location (bathroom)
Its therefore notifiable.

Is any of the electrical work taking place within Zones 1, 2 or 3?

 

[Sherbertlion]

Zone 3?!

 

[GaryMo]

If you're installing to BS7671:2008 then zone 3 doesn't exist in a bathroom, only zones 1 and 2.

 

[BS3036]

Rather than waiting for the other shoe to drop...

BAS's point is that http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BC_Consolidated_Bldg_Regs.pdf (see Schedule 2B para 4) overrides the conflicting statement in Part P, because Part P is only guidance.

 

[GaryMo]

Still no zone 3 in a bathroom according to BS7671:2008 which is what I commented on.

 

[Taylortwocities]

BAS, are you tring to say that you do not have to notify electrical work in a bathroom if the work is 'outside zones'.?

I dont see reference to zones in Part P document. It just says room containing a bath or shower...." etc

 

[GaryMo]

BAS, are you tring to say that you do not have to notify electrical work in a bathroom if the work is 'outside zones'.?

I dont see reference to zones in Part P document. It just says room containing a bath or shower...." etc

That's exactly what he's saying.

 

[333rocky333]

The fan and wiring are in the loft though,only the grill is in the actual room.

Would that be notifiable.

Even With the recessed lights, you could also say the wiring is not really in the room, or zone 1 or 2 or old zone 3

 

[BS3036]

Still no zone 3 in a bathroom according to BS7671:2008 which is what I commented on.

True. But I was assuming that BAS might have been influenced by the fact that the Building Regulations refer specifically to the 16th edition (which had a zone 3 of course).

Anything above 2.25m is outside the zones and not subject to notification, in law, whether they intended it or not.

 

[GaryMo]

I just can't quite get my head around the whole 'outside of zones' not being notifiable. Considering the major impact depending on what part of the bathroom work was carried out in I'm amazed it's not been carried over to the documents which are easily accessible for electricians (Approved document Part P and the Electricians Guide To The Building Regulations).

For that reason I would always go along the lines of a special location being a location containing a bath or shower basin and not an zoned area inside of a location containing a bath or shower basin.

 

[GaryMo]

Still no zone 3 in a bathroom according to BS7671:2008 which is what I commented on.

True. But I was assuming that BAS might have been influenced by the fact that the Building Regulations refer specifically to the 16th edition (which had a zone 3 of course).

Anything above 2.25m is outside the zones and not subject to notification, in law, whether they intended it or not.

Unless of course you choose to refer to BS7671:2001.

 

[BS3036]

Nice one, Gary. I missed that! So the new stuff would have to be above the old zone 3.