Safety that's why we should get out of the EU

[Davie Jones]

I told you to lighten up last night and you didn't - shameful hypocrisy.

Tit for tat now and getting boring.

Isn't it odd that JD disappeared shortly after I posted that pic of Angie Merkel last night?.... Did you have one of your little emergencies JD?

 

[fender]

Is is not strange that when Himmy goes, JD takes over?

 

[Davie Jones]

It's a fact that the NHS, public transport, care for the elderly, airports, night-shift work, and marrying Nigel Farage are dependent on foreign labour. These are all things Brits simply don't want to do.

This is however an entirely different issue from the benefits, if any, of resigning from the EU.

This is the biggest load of pigswill that you have posted yet... Brits would do these jobs if the pay received would give them a decent life. Anyone in full time employment (40 Hours) should be able to afford the bare minimum of owning and maintaining a modest home, modest car, and a decent holiday. They should also be able to live a reasonably healthy lifestyle. As it is blood sucking employers will naturally take the cheapest labour which is frequently imported labour who are willing to live in squalid conditions, hot bedding and paying a large proportion of their income to those who have brought them here..

Remove the migrants and you reduce the demand on the NHS and reduce the price of property as slum landlords rush to offload their rapidly depreciating portfolio.

 

[Davie Jones]

Is is not strange that when Himmy goes, JD takes over?

I think that HAG is something to do with the site as he has posted in the rules section suggesting that he is possibly their IT guy.. But that isn't important.... Perhaps they are hot bedding/

Also that guy Peter pops up now and then when JD goes AWOL

 

[Himaginn]

What is your problem exactly?
EFL, is in general reasonably polite and measured in his responses to you (as is PBC)
You however, just can't help yourself can you?
You always have to introduce sarcasm and a superior obnoxious attitude.
You really are a pompous plank with a relentless superiority complex.
I'll just bet you're the life and soul of a party eh?.........

Another one who makes assumptions and asks questions on an unproven premise, thinking that everyone shares the same perception of reality as you.
For a start: "What is my problem?" Who says I have a problem? You do! And on that unproven premise you base a load more of your assumptions.
So basically, you start from an unproven, unsubstantiated base level, on which you build several layers of an argument.
Is this how you process your builds? Build an unstable, unsupported foundation on which you build several layers, hoping that no-one has noticed the lack of fundamental support?

Take a step back and consider a proven substantial foundation on which to build an argument.
The same applies to EFLI. A discussion started along the lines of "Does anyone disagree that the dinosaurs were forced into distinction by a plague of blood-sucking fleas, which swept the earth. Similar to the extinction of Elephants as happened in Cambodia." is a whole load of suppositions on which to base a discussion. Suppositions which are not shared by all who consider entering the discussion.

Next time you want to cite an example, start a discussion, or use an analogy then use an accepted, validated, supported, substantial, proven foundation on which to start building the discussion.

 

[Davie Jones]

The very way that you have answered Fenders straightforward question suggests that you do have a problem.

 

[Himaginn]

The very way that you have answered Fenders straightforward question suggests that you do have a problem.

Birds can fly.
Ostriches are birds.
Therefore ostriches can fly.
Bats are not birds.
Therefore bats can't fly.
Birds lay eggs.
Crocodiles are not birds.
Therefore crocodiles do not lay eggs.

It's called abductive reasoning, or uncogent inductive argument, or fallacious elliptical assertion.

Brexit-ers have it in abundance.

So yet again, you've addressed the wrong issue.

Perhaps a better question for you would be: "is davie jones and fender fundamentally lacking in intellectual capacity because they cannot differentiate between sound reasoning and fallacious argument?"

 

[Brigadier]

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Perhaps a better question for you would be: "is davie jones and fender fundamentally lacking in intellectual capacity because they cannot differentiate between sound reasoning and fallacious argument?"

Brexit has no previous applicable analogue, that I'm aware of.
Therefore, all scenarios of what may happen upon Brexit are speculative; there are no absolutes, only opinions (read, vested interests, one way or the other).
Similarly, all "IN" arguments are based on "how good you've got it", with no control situation to compare it with.
EFLI has pointed this out (a few times, IIRC) already.
But you keep falling back on this pompously-delivered "fallacious argument" retort.

My bet is that you are afraid of Brexit (in poker parlance, you'll stick with the safe hand, rather than risk the better one not turning up), afraid of having any debate that might show Brexit in a positive light, so are trying (succeeding) in shutting down any discourse.

 

[Himaginn]

My bet is that you are afraid of Brexit (

How about discussing the topic, and not me?
If you want to start a thread about me, then do so.
But gasbag tried that already.

 

[Brigadier]

My bet is that you are afraid of Brexit (

How about discussing the topic, and not me?
If you want to start a thread about me, then do so.
But gasbag tried that already.

Point proven.

 

[JohnD]

It's very noticeable that the anti-EU campaigners have nothing to say, except spreading their Fear of Foreigners, and are afraid of reasonable discussion, so fill this, and other threads with their foolish abuse and weird fantasies. As you say, they are trying (succeeding) in shutting down any discourse.

 

[Davie Jones]

It's very noticeable that the anti-EU campaigners have nothing to say, except spreading their Fear of Foreigners, and are afraid of reasonable discussion, so fill this, and other threads with their foolish abuse and weird fantasies. As you say, they are trying (succeeding) in shutting down any discourse.

You assume that none of the Brexit supporters are themselves foreigners so if we say that some of the Brexiters are foreign, who do you think that they are afraid of?

John, you and HAG have over many threads used many words... Far more than are necessary to get a point across yet in all of those words, neither of you have succeeded to say anything meaningful or to convince any reasonable person to see things your way... You have both worked yourselves into a right old lather about this and are more fun to ridicule than to reason with.

 

[Davie Jones]

Perhaps a better question for you would be: "is davie jones and fender fundamentally lacking in intellectual capacity because they cannot differentiate between sound reasoning and fallacious argument?"

And yet you feel uncomfortable with folk discussing you in this thread..

 

[EFLImpudence]

The same applies to EFLI.
A discussion started along the lines of "Does anyone disagree that the dinosaurs were forced into distinction by a plague of blood-sucking fleas, which swept the earth. Similar to the extinction of Elephants as happened in Cambodia." is a whole load of suppositions on which to base a discussion.

No, it isn't. It is a question (albeit you have omitted the question mark).

The answer is, I am sure, simply "NO" - end of matter.

Questions do seem to confuse you and seem to be the only things for which you don't have a reply.

 

[fender]

The same applies to EFLI.
A discussion started along the lines of "Does anyone disagree that the dinosaurs were forced into distinction by a plague of blood-sucking fleas, which swept the earth. Similar to the extinction of Elephants as happened in Cambodia." is a whole load of suppositions on which to base a discussion.

No, it isn't. It is a question (albeit you have omitted the question mark).

The answer is, I am sure, simply "NO" - end of matter.

Questions do seem to confuse you and seem to be the only things for which you don't have a reply.

Wait for the incoming from Himmy EFL.
Trouble is, it'll probably be the usual pages and pages of nauseating diatribe in an attempt to answer something without answering it.

You'll probably lose the will to live when you get halfway through.......