vargen wrote:
It's in the thread you pointed me to There's a lot of nonsense in there (according to my copy of 17th anyway)!
Hey there, I’m not the Forum policeman & I'm not responsible for incorrect posts by others;
I know, Richard. You asked me where I got it from. I just replied with a statement of fact............ I'm just a novice, mate and I tend to think everyone else here knows more than I do and that what I thought was right is probably wrong when I read something contradictory to my understanding, eg about earthing capping. I got it wrong about "protection", for example. I thought "protection" meant mechanical protection, when it referred to RCDs. It seems even the pros do get it round their necks, though
Re daisy chaining spurs - I had planned to run from each appropriately placed over-worktop socket to an over-worktop fused spur connection and then down from there to an under-worktop socket for each of the kinds of devices I listed in my previous post. AFAIK you can't have under-worktop sockets without the fused spur connections, ie as just part of the ring, as you describe as the best way. I certainly wasn't thinking of running under-worktop fused spur connections in a daisy chain from just one over-worktop socket in the ring!
Yes, a radial circuit would come direct from the CU. If my understanding of how to do it correctly (as above) is wrong, the only possible alternative would be to run a radial circuit to each under-worktop device, wouldn't it? I think you may have misunderstood my earlier post on this and/or I misunderstood yours....... Pretty sure I'm right about those fused spurs, though.
Actually, it's not really sour grapes, it's just trying to find the most professional, safe, although perhaps not necessarily altogether squeeky-clean legit, solution to completing this work via the easiest, least complicated route for myself, without getting bogged down in beaurocracy. If it's done right, it's safe and it works, why do I have to deal with 3rd parties if I don't need to........... and can get away with not doing. Maybe I'm just arrogant!
Our views on 'legit' may very well be at variance but I do take your point about future problems and appreciate the advice you've given in that respect (as well as the rest of your advice, too). You did say yourself you'd had a problem with BC "but got around it". I'm anticipating a problem and trying to do the same.
BC's probably not the problem, but another section of the council would be, simply because they're unimaginative, beaurocratic pedants who can't think for themselves. Just a statement of fact..... Having dealt with the Council's chief electrical engineer, years ago when I was a tenant, who unexpectedly came to inspect their contactors' rewiring, which I was at that very moment in the middle of seruptitiously re-rewiring, because it was a plastic conduit nightmare mess, over a cup of tea said, "Sure, you go ahead, no problem, you obviously know what you're doing". He was a really good guy, and a surveyor I spoke to a few years ago about this very plan, actually, told me then he was happy for me to go ahead and do it all myself but wanted me to get a plumber to make the connections and test it. Electricals were no problem as far as he was concerned, he was only worried about flooding via the service shaft in lower floor flats. He is also a good guy, and, actually so is a young guy I spoke to in BC only last week about min standards, before you posted so helpfully. I know BC would probably be OK about this project. But as landlord of my leasehold - forget it!
My lease specifically states I can undertake internal, non-structural, non-architectural alterations to my heart's content. But the leasehold section will argue until everyone is blue in the face that leaseholders need their permission to do ANYTHING. Their block capitals on their consent application forms, and references to the very sections and subsections in the leases they are contradicting in saying it. It took 6 months to get a Yes for a satellite dish! This is what I want to avoid the anguish of going through and I guess my earlier post, which you interpreted as sour grapes, was me trying to justify what I want to do, as a moral proxy perhaps, because what you say is obviously right and I'm wrestling with myself over a decision.
I am extremely grateful, Richard, for the time and effort you have been taking to help me out with this. I am just a bit confused about these fused spurs, though.............
