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The issue of the license has nothing to do with any local or national authority. So you're talking drivel & know nothing about it.
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The issue of the license has nothing to do with any local or national authority. So you're talking drivel & know nothing about it.
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I think this idea of licensing etc has to be looked at in the context of experience.
For centuries Germany was the home of licensed artisans and their system of "Meister" held sway until the economic tempest of the 90's hit them.
Their system evolved over centuries dictated that when you had a certain type of business you had to employ a time-served foreman. This led , amongst other things to nonsenses such as starting a computer -repair business had to employ a "Elektro-meister" as his second employee ( after himself) because every business had to have a "qualified electrical -technician" employed and even in most cases wher the "q-e-t" knew nothing about computers !
Most unusually the socialist government of Gerhardt Schroeder knocked that on the head because it was out-of-date and anti-competitive ( too many plumbers with villas in France ! )
They have now had 15 years of - not the Polish plumber but the Polish tiler ! - tiling rates have dropped from E 50 / m2 to E 30 m2. Obviously not good for tilers but the economy doesn't exist just for tilers but for the whole population so big cheers.
Whether the quality is the same or not , I have no idea, but it s up to the customer to judge whether that is sufficient or not.
For centuries Germany was the home of licensed artisans and their system of "Meister" held sway until the economic tempest of the 90's hit them.
Their system evolved over centuries dictated that when you had a certain type of business you had to employ a time-served foreman. This led , amongst other things to nonsenses such as starting a computer -repair business had to employ a "Elektro-meister" as his second employee ( after himself) because every business had to have a "qualified electrical -technician" employed and even in most cases wher the "q-e-t" knew nothing about computers !
Most unusually the socialist government of Gerhardt Schroeder knocked that on the head because it was out-of-date and anti-competitive ( too many plumbers with villas in France ! )
They have now had 15 years of - not the Polish plumber but the Polish tiler ! - tiling rates have dropped from E 50 / m2 to E 30 m2. Obviously not good for tilers but the economy doesn't exist just for tilers but for the whole population so big cheers.
Whether the quality is the same or not , I have no idea, but it s up to the customer to judge whether that is sufficient or not.
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I don't care in the least that you are whistling in the wind. It doesn't blow my way from the land of lard and dripping.
As for the rest
Ha , a fugitive from forum justice hiding under a plethora of noms-de-plume lays down the law . See you Jimmie, here's a Glesga heid to be goin' on wi'
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Germany is a very good yardstick, previously they were synonyms with high quality engineering etc, the Meister system was the reason for this. But now, even their cars are nothing special.
To train people to a high standard cost a lot of money & takes a long time. So my advice before employing anyone to work on your home; ask them if they're fully qualified & done an apprenticeship.
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Dick
I don't care in the least that you are whistling in the wind. It doesn't blow my way from the land of lard and dripping.
As for the rest
Yes, I do live in Glasgow, but I prefer this to being someone like you, an English 'Roast Beef' living in France, where the locals hate you & take the pizz out of you at every oppertunity.
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As opposed to being a Scots puddin' widely regarded as being hilarious parasitical joke by the 50 million south of Berwick ?
Don't believe the tripe about the "Ould Alliance" as far as the French go Dick, you are just as much as a "rosbiff" to them as I am , probably a lot more so as I live here all the time.
The troubles within the gas industry goes back to 1990 when the then Tory government were toying with the idea to introduce a scheme making it compulsory for all new boiler/gas installations to be inspected/passed by the local Building control dept but after much lobbying by the likes of British gas [ who were probably more concerned about preventing their fitters doing PJs at week-ends than anything else ] settled instead for the insane self certification scheme wherby the only person to check a new install is the person that installed it. After nearly 50 years in the construction industry I know that nothing concentrates the mind and improves workmanship more than the thought of someone who knows his/her onions calling to check/inspect ones work. At present a builder carrying out even minor and certainly non life threatening works like forming a door or window opening or replacing roof slates with roof tiles is obliged to pay a fee to LABC who will then call whilst work is in progress and again after completion to pass work and issue a completion certifiacate, yet the two trades [gas and electric] in the construction industry most likely to cause serious injury or worse are allowed to self certify their own work with out any independent third party inspection. I know I've said it before but you just couldn't make it up.
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But the safety aspect is not in question Jim, it's the poor quality of the Fitters.
The Plumbing, Central Heating & Gas industry is f..ked since the demise of the apprenticeship schemes. Any idiot can now call themselves a Plumber, Heating Engineer or Gas Fitter................Just read some of he question they ask on here for example..............FFS, half of them should not be let out the house without an escort!!!
The Plumbing, Central Heating & Gas industry is f..ked since the demise of the apprenticeship schemes. Any idiot can now call themselves a Plumber, Heating Engineer or Gas Fitter................Just read some of he question they ask on here for example..............FFS, half of them should not be let out the house without an escort!!!
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That's why you have a hidden forum - so you can advise the clueless.
Well Joe 'Wellhard' 90, I like many others on here would not advise on repairs to Gas or Flue systems.
Brethren, we must go amongst them.
On a rare excursion from the hidden forum (and I'm off back there straight away) I'd just say if parents did their best to be the best parents they could be and not rely on the state to bring the children up.
If they taught the children not to leave half finished work or stop at 'that'll do', in ten years time we might see some improvement.
If customers used their brains to ask the workman before he entered the house where he worked last week and for the phone number of past clients and actually followed up on it instead of feeling rude and embarrassed for actually taking responsibility for their own situation.
Overcharged; don't pay; simple. Worried about the work? tell the guy before he starts he'll have to wait a week for his money because you need to be sure what he's done is correct and has worked.
If people actually had some pride in themselves, what they do and what they've done instead of whining on a forum about how they were ripped off. If they realised what a tube they're showing themselves to be by asking somebody else (the government, the local authority, the papers, a forum) anyone other than actually sorting their problems themselves it'd be a start.
Acknowledgements and apologies to the Coen Brothers - to be read in a Texan accent:
The world is full of complainers, fact is nothing comes with a guarantee.
And I don't care if you're President of the United States, Pope of Rome or Man of the Year, something can always go wrong.
Go ahead you know, complain, take your problem to your neighbour, ask for help, watch him fly.
Now in Russia they got it mapped out where everyone pulls for everybody else, well that's the theory anyway, but what I know about is Texas, and here, you're on your own.
Works everywhere, even the United Kingdom, France and Glasgow. Use your brain!
On a rare excursion from the hidden forum (and I'm off back there straight away) I'd just say if parents did their best to be the best parents they could be and not rely on the state to bring the children up.
If they taught the children not to leave half finished work or stop at 'that'll do', in ten years time we might see some improvement.
If customers used their brains to ask the workman before he entered the house where he worked last week and for the phone number of past clients and actually followed up on it instead of feeling rude and embarrassed for actually taking responsibility for their own situation.
Overcharged; don't pay; simple. Worried about the work? tell the guy before he starts he'll have to wait a week for his money because you need to be sure what he's done is correct and has worked.
If people actually had some pride in themselves, what they do and what they've done instead of whining on a forum about how they were ripped off. If they realised what a tube they're showing themselves to be by asking somebody else (the government, the local authority, the papers, a forum) anyone other than actually sorting their problems themselves it'd be a start.
Acknowledgements and apologies to the Coen Brothers - to be read in a Texan accent:
The world is full of complainers, fact is nothing comes with a guarantee.
And I don't care if you're President of the United States, Pope of Rome or Man of the Year, something can always go wrong.
Go ahead you know, complain, take your problem to your neighbour, ask for help, watch him fly.
Now in Russia they got it mapped out where everyone pulls for everybody else, well that's the theory anyway, but what I know about is Texas, and here, you're on your own.
Works everywhere, even the United Kingdom, France and Glasgow. Use your brain!
Gas safe do spot checks and contact customers direct with out consent from the engineer. We also have a certificate of competence renewed every 5 years un-like builders that are mostly glorified chippys anyway that have been taught not trained at any college and if they have a certificate that's for life no addition needed so I agree they need bits signed off to be safe and no self cert allowed as there is no govening body for building work like with gas, plus you will have cowboys whatever that have no qualification so don't give about compliance so comment above has no bearings on the subject IMO
Yes Joe I am are you really gi Joe?
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