want to make precipitator to purify water

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bad quality water everywhere
precipitator is device with 2 rods neg pos
immersed in water they somehow seperate minerals metals etc from water
can i make one of these
ive already made a hydrogen cell producing good hho
anyone know please?
 
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ib
ss steel .7mm plates
1/8" apart
7x5"x5" 403 grade
pos- neu -neu- neg -neu-neu-pos use 12v battery
gives good hydrogen
more good info-hydrogen tap (utube)
 
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Sorry if I seem dumb, but I'm confused!

So you have a tank of water with .7mm steel plates 1/8" apart connected to car batt.

The pos- neu -neu- neg -neu-neu-pos bit confuses me.

Cheers
 
ib
simple experiment-
2x ssteel spoons forks or knives
connect one to pos on batt the other to neg
put into water (add a little sodium hydroxide-caustic soda)
youll get hydrogen gas from water
fine bubbles =hydrogen large bubbles=oxygen
if no SH is added little hydrogen produced

the studied theory is include neutral plates and amperage demand is less
neg pos neg pos etc requires more amps
 
neutral as in not connected, or neutral as in grounded but not connected to battery terminals?

how do you harvest the hydrogen, and seperate it from the oxygen?
 
cj
absolutly not connected
my 7 plate set up is very much insulated
no way neut plates conn to anything at all
plastic dividers

there is a way to seperate
rough memory tells me---construct a slanting roof out of plate plastic-anything
all oxygen gasses-large bubbles hit the roof you can divert then
ox goes one way hyd goes another

listen up guys
im no expert
the teacher is john aarons type: hydrogen tap utube

oil per barrel goes to $183 a barrel not far off
 
oil per barrel goes to $183 a barrel not far off

and is that any help when the electricity you are using to generate the hydrogen is itself generated using fossil fuels?
 
jd

take as eg
alternator of car when running produces how much? i guess 12v at least and so many amps/watts

to power a hyd fuell cell could cost between 2-10 ampres
from that much (say 5 ampres gives 30% to power a car)
some people i do believe running the whole of the car on hydrogen its very possible

try it yourself guys

wire up two spoons forks whatever put in water add a little electrolite--caustic..................check the amps between2-15 amps

im saying you can get a lot more power from what youre putting in
to what your getting out

this site is the one http://www.overunity.com/index.php
log on for gods sakes

me? i know ****
 
no you can't.. it takes much more electrical power to produce enough hydrogen to run a car, than it would to just run the car on the electric to start with..

the only way that hydrogen cars would be effective is if they were fitted with gas turbine generators to recover energy from the exhaust, and solar panels to produce hydrogen while the car sits idle..

but then you have the problem of storing hydrogen, when the power could be stored just as easily in batteries..

as for your water problem, take the hydrogen and oxygen produced by your hydrogen cell and burn the hydrogen in the oxygen.. this produces water as it's byproduct.. or make a fuel cell which does the same thing, produces electricity and pure H2O as a byproduct..

the introduction of sodium hydroxide also means you will be depositing the sodium at one of the terminals so the plates would need changing regularly.. ( or self cleaned by reversing polarity which should dissolve the soduim back into the water, to be deposited on the other terminal.. )

I believe the addition of neutral plates is just introducing nucleation sites for the bubbles to form.. ( one of the factors for the mento's / diet coke phenomenon acording to mythbusters.. )

you would get better gas production with highly scratched or sand blasted plates rather than mirror polished ones..
 
jd
alternator of car when running produces how much? i guess 12v at least and so many amps/watts

from that much (say 5 ampres gives 30% to power a car)

im saying you can get a lot more power from what youre putting in
to what your getting out

For 100s of years people have been trying to make 'perpetual motion' machines. A machine that gives out more energy than it consumes. For exactly the same length of time they have been failing - not because they haven't found the answer yet but because it just isn't possible.

There is hope in all of us, like hoping to win the lottery, however this is like trying to win the lottery without buying a ticket!

The only way you could get more energy out is if the laws of physics / thermodynamics/ entropy and basically all of science were wrong. Not just slightly wrong but completely wrong. Even when looking at the quantum level where weird things happen like particles just appear and disappear, on average you still have nothing and it still works out perfectly.

Any energy you take from the alternator will require the engine to work harder and use more fuel. An alternator I guess is only 80% efficient, so you have already lost 20%, now add the losses in making the H2 due to heating and finally the 30% efficiency of the engine itself. You have lost ma massive amount! Even if you had 100% efficiency in everything (this means ZERO friction, heating of components, and an 100% efficient car engine so no radiator needed to keep it cool!? etc) you still only get what you took in the first place.

The key to fuel efficient motoring is making the car as efficient as possible. Think about the energy getting you and your 1,500KG car up to 40mph, only to slow down again at the next junction. If that energy could be captured rather than wasted as heat in your brakes you could use it to accelerate again. Unfortunately we don’t have batteries that can charge that quickly, or capacitors small enough to store all the energy – but research in this field is rapidly being done and this is where any answers will be found.

So we want to get closer and closer to 100% efficiency where no energy is lost. This we can achieve through research and innovation.

Finally just think about the numbers. A modern 1.6 car engine produces about 100 bhp = 73 KW. In terms of electrical power, at 12 Volts that would be (73,000 / 12 = 6,083 Amps) Remember that is the OUTPUT of the engine and modern engines are about 30% efficient as most of the input energy (petrol) is wasted as heat and noise. This means you need to input 243 KW to get your 73 KW output. So this equates to (243,000/ 12 = 20,250 Amps)!!! If your alternator was working at full power you would probably get about 70 Amps out of it, so you would need (20,250 / 70 = 289) alternators fitted to your car! Now imagine them all working at full power and hopefully you can see there is no way your 1.6 engine could cope and it would just stall.
 
cj
wdistart
yes i like you guys
youre full of energy and ideas
i dont believe you have any idea of the massive potential of hydrogen
i could answeryour doubts some of them at least but

please check these out first

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=johnaarons

http://www.overunity.com

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw

car runs on water

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmmXCUQoF8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl4b7mNBwzM&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyN6x9WTy5c
 

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