1 Cold Radiator

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Hi Guys,

Just looking for some advice re a cold rad in my house, details listed below:

1. Was last working begining of the year
2. Input pipe is hot all the way to and including the TRV but the rad is cold where its connected to the TRV
3. Output pipe is cold
4. Rad has been bleed
5. TRV is open and pin is free moving
6. Top of the rad will get very slightly warm although still cold just not as cold as the bottom
7. Removed the TRV Cap and still cold
8. Turned all rad's off and left this one on and it took a very long time but it finally started to heat up but nothing to get excited about and not what you would expect

Any help will be greayly appriciated

sorry in advance for typos/spelling mistakes im using my mobile phone

Thanks

Dean
 
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1. Turn off valves at both ends of radiator.
2. Drain radiator and remove from wall and bring into the garden. (DON'T DRIP ONTO THE CARPET, SHE WILL GO MAD)
3. Flush through with garden hose 'slightly' tapping back of radiator with rubber hammer to help remove debris.
4. Refit radiator and fill/bleed
5. Balance heating system.

Andy
 
1. Turn off valves at both ends of radiator.
2. Drain radiator and remove from wall and bring into the garden. (DON'T DRIP ONTO THE CARPET, SHE WILL GO MAD)
3. Flush through with garden hose 'slightly' tapping back of radiator with rubber hammer to help remove debris.
4. Refit radiator and fill/bleed
5. Balance heating system.

Andy

ill give this a try.... only question is how do i balance the system?
 
HOW TO BALANCE A CH SYSTEM


If some of your rads are not getting hot you will have to balance the system.

Failure to correctly balance a system can lead to complaints of inefficient operation and criticism of the operational abilities of thermostatic radiator valves, when in fact the valves are not the source of the problem.

Common complaints include:

Rooms are slow to reach temperature even though radiators are sized correctly

Some rooms with correctly sized radiators never reach temperature during cold periods

Room temperatures fluctuate particularly if the TRV is on a low setting

Balancing procedure:

You will need either two clip on pipe thermometers (£12 each) or an infrared thermometer (about £30 from Maplin). I have used both and prefer the infrared as it has a faster response, is more accurate and can be used for other things, e.g checking the temperature distribution over the surface of a rad.
1.
Turn boiler off and allow to cool

2.
Make sure HW is turned off

3.
Open all LS valves fully; remove all TRV heads and open all manual rad valves fully.

4.
Turn the boiler temp to max and bring system up to temperature.

5.
Check, by feel, the order in which the rads warm up and make a list.

6.
Adjust the bypass (if fitted) as per boiler mfr instructions

7.
Measure the temperature differences between the flow and return pipes at the boiler. What it should be will depend on the boiler -refer to the installation manual. If the temperature is not right, you need to adjust you pump speed (higher speed gives smaller difference and vice versa). Set the speed to give as a difference as close to the mfrs recommendation as possible.

8.
Turn the boiler off.

9.
Close all lockshield valves. Leave TRV heads off.

10.
Restart boiler

11.
Go to first rad in list made in step 5

12.
Attach the pipe thermometers (if used) to the flow and return pipes near the rad valves and open the LS valve a quarter turn.

13.
Wait until temperature has stabilised on the two thermometers (or use the IR thermometer to measure flow and return temp in the pipes adjacent to the valves). If the difference is smaller than that at the boiler, close the LS valve a fraction, or vice versa. Wait until the temp has stabilised and check again.

14.
When you are happy with the first rad, move on to the next on the list.

15.
Repeat steps 12, 13 and 14 for each rad on the list.

16.
When you have reached the last rad, check the boiler temp difference and adjust pump speed if necessary.

17.
Go back to the first rad and test it is still giving the correct difference

18.
And so on, going round and checking the temperature difference until they are all as near the required drop as you can make them. Don't expect perfection

19.
Replace TRV heads and set to required temperature


A very small change in the amount a LS valve is open can have a considerable effect on the temperature difference. Because of the way LS valve are constructed, it is virtually fully open when it is one and a half turns open. So most adjustment will be within one turn from closed.

Lockshield valve which is adjusted to control the flow.
 
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Right, rad came off today, flushed out the rad and now back on....simples

The only question i now have is... i am bleeding the rad but no water comes out... every 5 mins or so i blled again until the air stops coming.out but still.no wateri have noyicdd that the pressure.on the bokler has dropped.rigbt down... is it just taking.its time to fill up the rad because.of the.pressure? Should.i turn the pressure.up?
 
Scrap that, rad.now bleed

right its hearing up but only up the side of the TRV and across the.top the rest is.preety patchy??? Any other ideas or.is a.new rad needed?
 

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