Please could someone clarify the rules for me. I would like to move a wall socket in my kitchen (downstairs sockets ring) - the cables were installed professionally (well you could call it that!) but were dangled behind some wall cladding I have now removed. Before I plasterboard the ceiling I want to move the socket - make the existing cables tidier and shorter and properly secure them to wall in plastic trunking. So its just a question of (turning power off - would i need to turn all off or just downstairs sockets with separate fuse) disconnecting cables - re-locating mounting box and wiring in cable to mounting box - am i allowed to do this ? regards
moving a power socket in kitchen
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Kitchen area, Even minor work needs notifying under part p or registered(competent person scheme) should be used
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where does it say that?
Approved Document P.
And anyway, if you read the Part P SI very carefully, what he proposes doesn't appear notifiable even if he is within 3m of a sink. And on top of that, it appears he is going to be improving safety. So why get all upset about it?
And anyway, if you read the Part P SI very carefully, what he proposes doesn't appear notifiable even if he is within 3m of a sink. And on top of that, it appears he is going to be improving safety. So why get all upset about it?
as said on more than one currently running thread..
the approved documents are not law..
there is no mention of a "kitchen" stopping at 3M from the sink..
ANY electrical work in a kitchen is notifiable according to the building regulations.. it clearly says under schedule 2B...
this clearly means that work which IS in a kitchen or special location is notifiable..
the approved documents are not law..
there is no mention of a "kitchen" stopping at 3M from the sink..
ANY electrical work in a kitchen is notifiable according to the building regulations.. it clearly says under schedule 2B...
..
this clearly means that work which IS in a kitchen or special location is notifiable..
I refer lilac to
1) Approved Document P, Section 0, Page 7. This gives a guideline to what a kitchen means, '.... in open plan areas the zone of a kitchen may be considered to extend from the edge of the sink to a distance of 3m.....'
2) Building Act 1984, S (7) (1) (b). This says in law that if guidance is given in an Approved document then the presumption is that there is no liability in a criminal or civil action. Thats law, not advice.
3) And the Whole of paragraph 2 of the Part P statutory instrument, not just a selected quotation that ColJack uses.
If you read the whole paragraph you will see that only work that
consists of -
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit; or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;
Is notifiable if in a kitchen.
As you are not proposing to add a light fitting, switch, socket or fused spur then the whole of that paragraph doesn't apply. Nowhere else in the SI is kitchen mentioned apart from a definition. Being in a kitchen is irrelevant to your proposed work.
I'd go ahead and do a better job
1) Approved Document P, Section 0, Page 7. This gives a guideline to what a kitchen means, '.... in open plan areas the zone of a kitchen may be considered to extend from the edge of the sink to a distance of 3m.....'
2) Building Act 1984, S (7) (1) (b). This says in law that if guidance is given in an Approved document then the presumption is that there is no liability in a criminal or civil action. Thats law, not advice.
3) And the Whole of paragraph 2 of the Part P statutory instrument, not just a selected quotation that ColJack uses.
If you read the whole paragraph you will see that only work that
consists of -
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit; or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;
Is notifiable if in a kitchen.
As you are not proposing to add a light fitting, switch, socket or fused spur then the whole of that paragraph doesn't apply. Nowhere else in the SI is kitchen mentioned apart from a definition. Being in a kitchen is irrelevant to your proposed work.
I'd go ahead and do a better job
you obviously interpret this different than me then..
I interpret that as
this conversely means that electrical work which is not adding sockets ( etc ) to an existing circuit IS notifiable, irrespective of it's location and from above we can see that adding sockets etc in a kitchen or special location IS notifiable.
Therefore ALL electrical work in a kitchen or special location IS notifiable.
how is it wrong?
adding sockets / switches etc anywhere but a kitchen or special location is NOT notifiable..
any other work that it NOT adding sockets / switches etc IS notifiable...
so as you have to notify to do anything EXCEPT add sockets etc wherever you are, AND you have to notify to add sockets / switches etc in a kitchen then ALL electrical work in a kitchen is notifiable...
adding sockets / switches etc anywhere but a kitchen or special location is NOT notifiable..
any other work that it NOT adding sockets / switches etc IS notifiable...
so as you have to notify to do anything EXCEPT add sockets etc wherever you are, AND you have to notify to add sockets / switches etc in a kitchen then ALL electrical work in a kitchen is notifiable...
ok, mental slip there.. I should have added "excepting items listed as not-notifiable in sections 1 and 3..."
I don't classify the items in section 1 as "electrical work", I class that as repair and rectification work..
by "electrical work" I mean new circuits, adding to existing, changing breakers etc...., not installing bonding that should already be there or screwing a socket back onto a wall or fixing a damaged cable..
I don't classify the items in section 1 as "electrical work", I class that as repair and rectification work..
by "electrical work" I mean new circuits, adding to existing, changing breakers etc...., not installing bonding that should already be there or screwing a socket back onto a wall or fixing a damaged cable..
so according to you I can put in a new cooker circuit and change a CU in the kitchen because you say that ONLY adding sockets / switches etc to an existing circuit is notifiable in a kitchen..?
1) Putting in a new cooker circuit or provision of a new CU is notifiable anywhere.
2) Installing sockets/spurs/lights/switches is notifiable if done in a kitchen (or special location or on special installation)
i.e. that category of work is not notifiable if done elsewhere. This is laid out in Part 2 of the Part P SI.
3) Part 1 of the Part P SI makes no reference to location and work authorised by that part is permitted anywhere that Part P applies to, including kitchens.
4) Part 3 of the Part P SI doesn't apply to kitchens either.
Very simple and here endeth the lesson
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