Split Load Consumer Unit or Not ??

john_boy_02

Hi all.

Hope you can help me out with a little question I have.
I have just bought a Hager split load consumer unit ready for a local electrician to fit. When it has been delivered, and I have opened it up, to my untrained eyes it looks just like a normal (not split load) CU.
Should it have two separate metal bars (DIN bar?)???
Hope you can help me

Regards
john_boy

andy · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:04 pm Post Subject:

it should have an isolator and a RCD. 1 busbar goes from the isolator and 1 from the RCD. there are also 2 neutral blocks

there is only 1 din rail

Screwi · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:04 pm Post Subject:

If you have the mcbs and the rcd then the bus bar gets cut to the required length by your spark.

There should be two seperate neutral connections and one earth bar also

Screwi · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:07 pm Post Subject:

If you get supplied with a couple of sets of internal tails - then these link out from the switch to the rcd - then the rcd to the top rail busbar to the rcd side of the mcbs, the switch connectors get linked to the bus bar going to the non rcd protected mcbs - if you understand all that LOL

Neutrals from the rcd mcbs must be on a seperate connector strip than the non rcd protected mcbs.
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john_boy_02 wrote:

Hi all.

Hope you can help me out with a little question I have.
I have just bought a Hager split load consumer unit ready for a local electrician to fit. When it has been delivered, and I have opened it up, to my untrained eyes it looks just like a normal (not split load) CU.
Should it have two separate metal bars (DIN bar?)???
Hope you can help me

Regards
john_boy

Most modern Consumer Units have just ONE din-rail, that is the 35mm wide rail on which the breakers clip onto.

The copper busbar i.e. the plate that feeds power from the mainswitch to the breakers, is mounted separately, and there is one busbar for each side of the split load unit.

john_boy_02 · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:14 pm Post Subject:

Thanks for all of your [very comprehensive] replies.

I already have the mcbs, but . .

there were no busbars with it, no internal tails (i guess these are he cables) - only the case with a din rail (yes 35mm width) and two terminal blocks.

The model is a Hager VU8D, but I can't really find enough info on it on their website, and no reference to it being split-load. The bloke whgo sold it me says "The manufacturers described it as a MKII which has the option of a 4 + 4 split load or a straight 8 way load, the split requiring 2 isolators"

I will need more help (and parts !!!) from my lecci I suppose. I was only trying to save time, but it's not been too successful

Once again, thanks for your help

andy · Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:59 pm Post Subject:

john_boy_02 wrote:

Thanks for all of your [very comprehensive] replies.

I already have the mcbs, but . .

there were no busbars with it, no internal tails (i guess these are he cables) - only the case with a din rail (yes 35mm width) and two terminal blocks.

The model is a Hager VU8D, but I can't really find enough info on it on their website, and no reference to it being split-load. The bloke whgo sold it me says "The manufacturers described it as a MKII which has the option of a 4 + 4 split load or a straight 8 way load, the split requiring 2 isolators"

I will need more help (and parts !!!) from my lecci I suppose. I was only trying to save time, but it's not been too successful

Once again, thanks for your help

it sas it has the option of split load... it doesnt say it is split load... best to let your spark get the stuff needed, since he actually knows what he's lookin for

ban-all-sheds · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:35 am Post Subject:

1) 4 + 4 is a bit small.

2) Did the guy in the shop ask you what type of supply you have (i.e. what type of earthing arrangement) when he sold you this?

3) Are you sure that your electrician is OK with you supplying the parts?

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john_boy_02 · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:11 pm Post Subject:

Bought off eBay on the strength of the description - live and learn

Yes, he was OK me buying the bits - i was only trying to get things ready for when he can do the job next month !!!

You reckon 4+4 is a bit small for my house then ??? I only have a 4 way old style fusebox at the moment

andy · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:46 pm Post Subject:

john_boy_02 wrote:

Bought off eBay on the strength of the description - live and learn

Yes, he was OK me buying the bits - i was only trying to get things ready for when he can do the job next month !!!

You reckon 4+4 is a bit small for my house then ??? I only have a 4 way old style fusebox at the moment

when houses are re-wired there is often a lot more than 8 circuits...

plugwash · Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:53 pm Post Subject:

well before we had our extention built we only had 6 cuircuits (2 lighting 3 rings and an immersion heater cuircuit)

now we have
2 lighting cuircuits
3 rings
1 16A radial for loft socket (it was formally on the immersion cuircuit which the electrician told us wasn't acceptable)
1 outside power cuircuit (was formally on a fcu from a ring)
1 electric shower
1 immersion heater cuircuit

i'd imagine that this count is fairly typical for a reasonablly sized house with fairly modern wiring.

ban-all-sheds · Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:24 am Post Subject:

john_boy_02 wrote:

Bought off eBay on the strength of the description - live and learn

I hope that 4+4 refers to the number of ways that the box provides after you've installed an incomer and an RCD...

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Yes, he was OK me buying the bits - i was only trying to get things ready for when he can do the job next month !!!

Before you go any further with your purchasing, this is important - do you have a TT supply? (See the For Reference topic for explanations and diagrams)

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You reckon 4+4 is a bit small for my house then ??? I only have a 4 way old style fusebox at the moment

OK - now, the items on the list below may not all apply to you, but they are worth thinking about:

Upstairs ring
Downstairs ring
Kitchen ring
Radial for appliances
Cooker circuit
Non-RCD circuit for F/F
Non-RCD circuit for CH boiler
Dedicated circuit for hifi
Dedicated circuit for IT equipment
Upstairs lights
Downstairs lights
Immersion heater
Shower
Alarm
Supply for outside lights
Supply for garden electrics
Supply for shed/garage

Plus any peculiarities brought about by your house layout & construction - e.g. in mine because of solid floors and where the rings run, I have a radial just for a socket in the hall, the doorbell and the porch lights.

Plus a few spares on RCD & non-RCD sides for expansion beyond that for future unforeseen needs.

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