Was my initial punt. We have established that, other than for some very unlikely event, (limited to 0.4 seconds max), none. so an EICR code of 2 is not applicable?
Lack of supplementary bonding - what’s the danger ?
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Pub landlords once spread sand on their floors to catch spills etc... The sand was delivered by lads who were partly paid with ale and thus were merry.
As for Larry, he was Larry Foley, an Aussie boxer, who never lost a fight.
He also played a large part in getting the use of gloves written in to the rules.
I support that idea, but RCB's/RCBO's can fail to operate, so call SB a first/second line of defence.
As we know, probably the most unsatisfactory thing about EICRs is that so much is left to the discretion of the unindividual inspector. If an inspector feels that a hazard which is present only for 0.4 seconds represents 'a potential danger', then he/she is at liberty to code it as C2, even if many others would probably disagree.
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As I always say, I will never knock anyone for wanting redundancy of protective devices, but the regs (and most electricians) do not seem to take that view. Indeed, on the contrary, we much more commonly see people criticising the practice of, say, 'putting two RCDs in series' - which is obviously a way of addressing possible device failure.
Which has reminded me - I now have two RCD's in series, feeding my garage.
I have the similar,and would not knock either of us for that (although some people would)
Hah. A kindred spirit.
So my daft saying of being as happy as sand boy called Larry is not as totally bonkers as i meant it to be? Gosh if it gets any worse I might be in danger of speaking truths in my little witicysms! I will have to try and avoid that.
Sorry for not contributing I,m on a foreign holiday.
Not not Yorkshire or Cumbria,
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I think the 50v or less is for normal dry conditions, special locations need a bit more protection.
Has anyone ever been touching a 50v bog standard phone line whilst ringing signal is active? It does bite even in normal dry conditions!
Not that long ago really, lighting circuits had a permissible 5 seconds earth fault clearing time (ok it was still supposed to be 0.4 seconds for bathrooms ) but even 0.4 seconds can be too long for comfort.
I became a fan of supp bonding and remained so even when RCDs were mandated on most circuits. Even the speed of working RCDs could still leave one uncomfortable. Then factor in the possible failure rate of RCDs (not just complete failure to actually disconnect at all but the failure to do so within the required time.
And even then I would not deliberately forgo the caution of avoiding touch. It does surprise me (or rather it does not) that some folk take the view , testing or working on, a live circuit , " oh its only 5 amps" or " its only 50v!" I would still avoid it..
Putting aside the age old game of "catch this capacitor" I have only had a mains shock once at about 12 years old and a BT line zap once in adult life.
Both incidents taught me to avoid such stings.
Has anyone ever been touching a 50v bog standard phone line whilst ringing signal is active? It does bite even in normal dry conditions!
Not that long ago really, lighting circuits had a permissible 5 seconds earth fault clearing time (ok it was still supposed to be 0.4 seconds for bathrooms ) but even 0.4 seconds can be too long for comfort.
I became a fan of supp bonding and remained so even when RCDs were mandated on most circuits. Even the speed of working RCDs could still leave one uncomfortable. Then factor in the possible failure rate of RCDs (not just complete failure to actually disconnect at all but the failure to do so within the required time.
And even then I would not deliberately forgo the caution of avoiding touch. It does surprise me (or rather it does not) that some folk take the view , testing or working on, a live circuit , " oh its only 5 amps" or " its only 50v!" I would still avoid it..
Putting aside the age old game of "catch this capacitor" I have only had a mains shock once at about 12 years old and a BT line zap once in adult life.
Both incidents taught me to avoid such stings.
You do like to second guess.
It's due to the inductance, the 50v is much more than 50v, and yes, I suffered them many times, working in GPO exchanges.
I spent much of my working life, working live, often it is the only way to test and diagnose. It was never the live working which bothered me, so much as the working on equipment which was supposedly dead, and that catches out unexpectedly.
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Hell, yeah!
I can#t speak for Harry, but mine are both Type ACs
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