Bullfight called Off

[RogueHanger]

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Coathanger's made his first ever post that makes any sense.


So, that's two barbaric, backward, sadistic forms of animal cruelty that need to be stamped out. Bull fighting and halal slaughter methods.

Surely it would be hypocritical to condemn one without the other?

The majority of animals slaughtered in abattoirs in the UK are done by the vey same method, irrespective of it being halal or not.
The only differences are that Halal meat is slaughtered while a prayer is whispered and it is done by a Muslim.

Are you trying to suggest that it's somehow more cruel to say a prayer, than not to, while an animal is slaughtered?

You stretch to incredulity sometimes, sorry, I'll change that, all the time!

Obviously, the world is still waiting for your first sensible comment.

I think you need to check your facts on halal.

I think it is you that needs to check facts:

FACT. Not all animals killed in The Uk by this method are stunned.

You will now (perhaps) notice that I said, "the majority". I highlighted it for you. There are over 10,000 abattoirs in the UK. http://www.food.gov.uk/enforcement/sectorrules/meatplantsprems/meatpremlicence There are over 150 Halal abattoirs using stunning. There are 12 abattoirs that do not stun.
Additionally, all animals killed on farms, etc throughout the UK are not stunned, for convenience, nothing to do with religion.

FACT. Whilst European law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter, there is an exemption in place in The UK for halal. (Aren't there always accommodations made for their backward ways? )

See above. 12 Halal abbattoirs that do not stun and are specially licensed. Over 150 Halal abattoirs that do stun. Is it just as backward for catholics to go to confession, or CofE to be baptised? Or prayers said at funerals?

FACT. The RSPCA is worried about halal. This on it's own is enough for me.

What a dopey comment. The RSPCA is concerned about all animal welfare, not just that slaughtered for Halal meat.

As usual, it is you that is stretching 'credulity' and being very economical with the truth. This fits your purposes and is wholly hypocritical for you to condemn one form of animal cruelty, but cover up and excuse another.

You should check your FACTS before expounding them. You are as wild with your presentation of FACTS as you are with your ludicrous claims and comments. Moreover, your economy with the truth is legendary.

I am entirely upfront about my views,

However mistaken or misguided they happen to be.

but it is difficult to be reasonable with someone like you who uses weasel words, double standards, and rather appropriately for this thread, a large dose of bull.

You will now notice (perhaps) how your FACTS have been distorted for your own agenda.

 

[RogueHanger]

FACT. Whilst European law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter, there is an exemption in place in The UK for halal. (Aren't there always accommodations made for their backward ways? )

That really takes the biscuit, doesn't it. The UK bends over backwards to accommodate EU diktats whilst the rest of the EU ignore what they don't agree with.
Yet where a certain 'peaceful religion' is concerned, the opposite appears to be the case.

Sharia Law next, I reckon.

What a ridiculous comment.
First of all, you accept Whitespirit's inaccurate presentation of his FACTS, without checking the accuracy.
Then you use that acceptance to launch a racially abusive comment about Islam.
Then you base your possible development of government in UK on your previous mistaken assumptions.
Additionally, you assume that the rest of EU does not adhere to regulations whilst insisting that UK does.

Have you fogotten already the UK govenments refusal to allow prisoners the vote. (Although that was ECHR rather than EU, but you probably don't know the difference. )
You are one of the most gullible people I've ever come across.

 

[RogueHanger]

That's because we are a so-called Christian country and believe in turning the other cheek.

What it shows, or proves, is if you go by the rules, (which other countries flout!), and "turn the other cheek" you will be slapped,,,, and slapped and slapped and slapped, and b*****r and shafted and slapped some more.

I hate my stiff upper lip. I'd rather have a stiff lower nob and shaft the b*****r who take us for complete and utter mugs.

Why do you claim that other countries are allowed to flout EU laws but UK are not.
This is your sole basis for your comment for condeming UK as christian, or if you go by the rules you are slapped again and again, or shafted, or your suggestion that we are being taken for mugs.
So it would be useful to know what you base your claim on.

 

[Big Tone]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/275028/Greenpeace-slams-Spain-on-fishing

There are too many links from too many sources to cut and paste. Just Google Spain illegal fishing and weep...

BTW, did you know the only word not in the OED is gullible?

 

[Micilin]

Edited wrong place

 

[enyam]

Hi RH back to your supercilious best I see,Euro lottery numbers have not come up again I take it.

 

[enyam]

BTW, did you know the only word not in the OED is gullible?

Seen that posted elsewhere recently,are you on a over 50's site per chance.

 

[Micilin]

.wrong place.

 

[Big Tone]

BTW, did you know the only word not in the OED is gullible?

Seen that posted elsewhere recently,are you on a over 50's site per chance.

I didn't know there was one. I would qualify

 

[RogueHanger]

Do you know

1)how long the abattoir slaughter process takes
2) how many wounds are inflicted in the abattoir slaughter process
And if so ,do these have any bearing on the relative cruelty of abattoir and ring?

Try asking the unfortunate beasts concerned. Whether it be a bull or a sheep or a chicken - wouldn't you say that they'd all be a lot happier to be stunned before their ordeals?

I'll answer your question -Yes.

Can you answer mine?

Your questions are vague. Are you referring to halal or the more humane abattoir process that was the norm until recent times?

Not really understanding the relevance either.

I'm not sure how Whitespirit expects micilin to make the questions any less vague.

Then, again, you've tried to misinterpret and confuse the issue. There is no difference between the vast majority of Halal slaughter and non-Halal slaughter. Are you failing to understand the words?

The previous practice of bolts into the brains was discontinued because it was considered insufficiently humane, especially in cases of misfires, and accidents, etc.

Did micilin ask you to explain the relevance of your questions before answering. Perhaps all will become clear if you answered. Although in your case I doubt if anything other than your prejudice will ever be clear in you mind.

 

[RogueHanger]

Tone, are you really comparing words not heard by animals ,that don't understand them, to racism?

Hec no! I was trying to say that if RH puts so much offence on 'a word' or not which is so offensive why is a different word 'prayer' "only a difference" ? Was I vague

Do you want a yes or no answer, BT.
Yes. You were implying that animals understand words. They don't (I thought I'd clarify that for you. )

I hear, have heard, the word "God" more times than I have had hot dinners, nothing like the same with racist words.

See previous answer re prayer not being vindictive, intentionally offensive, etc. Additionally, perhaps you haven't been reading GD forum.

But hearing the word "God" gets on my **** more, especially in recent times, than I ever here a racist term. I equate it to 'in the name of god' which = anything goes.

Are you so anti-religious? Yet do you object to people using prayer? Or do you suffer in silence the way that you suffer abusive comments.

Hang on......" I equate it to 'in the name of god' which = anything goes."
But weren't you arguing for the freedom of speech, just a short while ago?

 

[Micilin]

Do you know

1)how long the abattoir slaughter process takes
2) how many wounds are inflicted in the abattoir slaughter process
And if so ,do these have any bearing on the relative cruelty of abattoir and ring?

Try asking the unfortunate beasts concerned. Whether it be a bull or a sheep or a chicken - wouldn't you say that they'd all be a lot happier to be stunned before their ordeals?

I'll answer your question -Yes.

Can you answer mine?

Your questions are vague. Are you referring to halal or the more humane abattoir process that was the norm until recent times?

Not really understanding the relevance either.

I'm not sure how Whitespirit expects micilin to make the questions any less vague.

Then, again, you've tried to misinterpret and confuse the issue. There is no difference between the vast majority of Halal slaughter and non-Halal slaughter. Are you failing to understand the words?

The previous practice of bolts into the brains was discontinued because it was considered insufficiently humane, especially in cases of misfires, and accidents, etc.

Did micilin ask you to explain the relevance of your questions before answering. Perhaps all will become clear if you answered. Although in your case I doubt if anything other than your prejudice will ever be clear in you mind.

The difference, RH, is that I really don't mind answering questions. It is rather essential for 'discussion'!

Some posters doesn't really have the tools for a proper discussion, which is why they practice such avoidance, and why they get so annoyed when presented with their own words quoted back at them.

Without Whitespirit engaging properly, I can only assume that you are accurate in your assessment !

 

[RogueHanger]

Apropos another thread:

Sharia Law next, I reckon.

Do you think that less likely with FPTP or PR?

I cannot say. It depends on how the electorate votes - under either system.

I think we all know that there is a distinct possibility of our adopting, or having forced upon us, sharia law at some time in the not too distant future. There will come a time when we shall be unable to do anything about it, assuming that the present situation of appeasement continues.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land.
There are about 12% of the population in London that are muslims. but many of those may have emmigrated to UK to escape sharia law.
A recent poll of UK muslims showed that only 40% wanted sharia law. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html So even if the UK was populated by only muslims, sharia law would still not be wanted.
As it stands now, less than 5% in London want sharia law. That may rise to as high as 10% in places like Bradford, but that will obviously be offset by much lower figures elsewhere.
You do say some stupid things. Even moreso for an ex-teacher.

 

[RogueHanger]

Hi RH back to your supercilious best I see,

Why, thank you.

 

[Big Tone]

But weren't you arguing for the freedom of speech, just a short while ago?

I have have a right to free speech too you know, and I find all religions vile. (Apart maybe from Budism if that counts). Whenever someone wants to do something illegal or immoral they use God as a reason or the devil made me do it. I'm a born again atheist and proud. Whatever I have done and mistakes I've made in life I blame me not the devil. And all successes are mine, not from God. But let's not do another religious thread