Here we go again!

[bernardgreen]

Would Ellal like to comment on this

Baghdad, AP—Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) extremists lined up and shot dead at least 50 tribesmen and women in Iraq’s Anbar province, officials said Saturday, the latest mass killing committed by the group.

The shooting happened late Friday in the village of Ras al-Maa, north of the provincial capital of Ramadi, Anbar councilman Faleh al-Issawi said.

Militants accused the men and women of the Al Bu Nimr tribe of retaliating against them after being displaced from their homes when the group seized the Anbar town of Hit last month, al-Issawi said.

“These killings are taking place almost on a daily basis now in the areas under the control of ISIS and they will continue unless this terrorist group is stopped,” al-Issawi told The Associated Press.

An official in the Anbar governor’s office confirmed the death toll. He spoke on condition of anonymity as he is not authorized to brief journalists.

On Thursday, authorities found the bodies of 48 Sunni tribesmen killed by ISIS in Anbar

Would Ellal give up his home and possessions and become homeless without uttering some objections, would he expect and accept being shot for uttering objections. Even if he retaliated with force in this country he would be arrested and held in jail ( assuming his house was being commandeered by the police for some reason ) and not shot without trial.

But by shooting 50 innocent people ISIS ensure the next time they want houses the owners will leave without raising any objections.

 

[Micilin]

On a tangent.....has anyone actually seen a passport that details a profession?

 

[Gasman28]

As always you have it ar*e about face...

I doubt it. You are so myopic that you wouldn't see the truth if it hit you

It has nothing to do with what I have posted - it is to do with your prejudiced views and your inability to understand that there is more than one way to get to what I would hope is the same outcome...

It has everything to do with your vitriol. If, by prejudiced views you mean that we in the Western world should tolerate your terrorists mates and stand by to let it happen in OUR country, then think again. We are a very tolerant nation, but when push comes to shove, we will ( hopefully with a decent government ) eradicate all forms of terrorism in OUR country.

Your approach to combating terrorism has been shown to have been a spectacular failure whilst mine has historical evidence of some success...

........... care to share with us your words of wisdom?

But hey, you and gasman just carry on making fools of yourselves...

We all enjoy the entertainment that your inane posts give

You have shown time and again that it makes no difference what is put in front of you because your minds are closed and are incapable of understanding an alternative way

You cannot delegate with terrorists. You could if they stopped killing their own, but that would never do would it Ella?

Therefore it's worth repeating...

If you want to know what an extremist looks like, then just take a quick look in a mirror

Now there's another thing. You keep on bleeting about how bad the Western world is, yet you still want to live here and claim all the benefits that we have to offer. It would be churlish of me to tell you where to go, but of course you wouldn't leave and why should you. See the difference there Ella, we don't mind you being in OUR country and claiming all, but we should object to your rants against us when you clearly don't like living in a civilised country.

 

[ellal]

If you think dialogue with the terrorists would work, feel free to go over to Syria/Iraq and talk with these ISIS fellah's.

Northern Ireland
South Africa

Two conflicts with 'terrorists' out of a long list that were resolved by dialogue!

Funnily enough the governments involved kept the talks secret for a long time whilst telling their populations otherwise...

But they were internal disputes solved by the areas involved, and then helped with diplomatic interventions by outsiders - not bombing!

Hence my conclusion that we should stay out of areas which we have no right to be in until we can help out peacefully...

But hey we don't even have to go to Iraq/Syria to encounter terrorists...

Because the Foreign Office on friday night issued a worldwide travel warning, saying "tourists were at a risk of attack anywhere as a result of Britain’s intervention in Iraq and Syria."

Now even the simplest on here can understand 'cause and effect' can't they?

Or have I overestimated the intelligence of some? - yet again!

 

[bernardgreen]

Hence my conclusion that we should stay out of areas which we have no right to be in until we can help out peacefully...

An aid worker peacefully helping with humanitarian aid is kidnapped and then brutally murdered.

 

[Brigadier]

If you think dialogue with the terrorists would work, feel free to go over to Syria/Iraq and talk with these ISIS fellah's.

Northern Ireland
South Africa

Two conflicts with 'terrorists' out of a long list that were resolved by dialogue!

Funnily enough the governments involved kept the talks secret for a long time whilst telling their populations otherwise...

But they were internal disputes solved by the areas involved, and then helped with diplomatic interventions by outsiders - not bombing!

Hence my conclusion that we should stay out of areas which we have no right to be in until we can help out peacefully...

But hey we don't even have to go to Iraq/Syria to encounter terrorists...

Because the Foreign Office on friday night issued a worldwide travel warning, saying "tourists were at a risk of attack anywhere as a result of Britain’s intervention in Iraq and Syria."

Now even the simplest on here can understand 'cause and effect' can't they?

Or have I overestimated the intelligence of some? - yet again!

I am listening to you point of view, honestly but:

Because the Foreign Office on friday night issued a worldwide travel warning, saying "tourists were at a risk of attack anywhere as a result of Britain’s intervention in Iraq and Syria."


Could it not also be a possibility that the above is as much a case of "How dare you interfere with our killing spree!", rather than some ideological affront?


Also, the current "troubles" are on a wholly different scale to your examples of South Africa, and Northern Ireland.

BBC - Northern Ireland - 30 yrs - 3600 killed.

Human Rights Commission - South Africa - 21000 killed - 92% of deaths were "black on black"; inter-tribal territory disputes.

The Guardian - ISIS - 7800 killed in 2013, 5600 killed in first six months of 2014 alone - 1.2 million people driven from their homes, through fear of rape, torture, crucifixion, beheading, execution.


If your answer is send a few diplomats in, how long will it take until there is no-one left to save?

 

[ellal]

I fear you miss the point 'Brigadier'... again!

(or should that be 'bombadier'? )

Scale of deaths is not the actual issue - although if you want to go down that route then maybe you could tell us the numbers killed by western forces in our illegal invasions?

That of course rather b uggers up your argument, but then just about every bit of evidence available does likewise!

As does your own line about 'inter-tribal territory disputes'...

I guess you don't truly understand the two examples I mentioned and the relevance to the current situation

As to your bit about 'send a few diplomats in', I have to assume (like the 'bombadier') you are still living in the age of gunboat diplomacy rather than the present situation where 'communications' have moved on a tad

 

[pred]

I find myself agreeing with some of the points Ellal makes, the one obvious fly in the ointment being what an Arab says and what an Arab does is two different things, you know they are lying because there lips move.

 

[ellal]

I find myself agreeing with some of the points Ellal makes, the one obvious fly in the ointment being what an Arab says and what an Arab does is two different things, you know they are lying because there lips move.

The same could be said about our politicians...

What was that about WMD's and 45 minutes?

 

[pred]

I find myself agreeing with some of the points Ellal makes, the one obvious fly in the ointment being what an Arab says and what an Arab does is two different things, you know they are lying because there lips move.

The same could be said about our politicians...

What was that about WMD's and 45 minutes?

I agree, we were lied to, Bliar should be put on war crimes charges.

 

[Brigadier]

I fear you miss the point 'Brigadier'... again!

(or should that be 'bombadier'? )

Scale of deaths is not the actual issue - although if you want to go down that route then maybe you could tell us the numbers killed by western forces in our illegal invasions?

That of course rather b uggers up your argument, but then just about every bit of evidence available does likewise!

As does your own line about 'inter-tribal territory disputes'...

I guess you don't truly understand the two examples I mentioned and the relevance to the current situation

As to your bit about 'send a few diplomats in', I have to assume (like the 'bombadier') you are still living in the age of gunboat diplomacy rather than the present situation where 'communications' have moved on a tad

No - I am asking you what you think diplomacy will achieve, and how many people are likely to be displaced / raped / murdered, while the process is going on.

 

[Brigadier]

I find myself agreeing with some of the points Ellal makes, the one obvious fly in the ointment being what an Arab says and what an Arab does is two different things, you know they are lying because there lips move.

The same could be said about our politicians...

What was that about WMD's and 45 minutes?

And why the rolly eyes again - find me a poster on here who doesn't think Bliar shouldn't be strung up - is it because you just want to stifle any debate?

 

[Brigadier]

Scale of deaths is not the actual issue - although if you want to go down that route then maybe you could tell us the numbers killed by western forces in our illegal invasions?


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Scale of deaths is important, insofar as you used two examples where diplomacy eventually won over. I don't think you can reasonably use N.I as a comparitor for ISIS.

 

[JBR]

And why the rolly eyes again - find me a poster on here who doesn't think Bliar shouldn't be strung up - is it because you just want to stifle any debate?

I have to confess that I'm one who doesn't think he should be.

No, I think he should be publicly garotted, and slowly.

 

[ellal]

And why the rolly eyes again - find me a poster on here who doesn't think Bliar shouldn't be strung up - is it because you just want to stifle any debate?

It is because your already very weak 'argument' in this discussion is dissolving in front of our very eyes