Oh and - isn't Putin a bit of a leftie?
They voted for a trade agreement which is what they were told it was.
JBR said:Yes, I don't remember any party stating in their manifesto that they would agree to the Maastricht Treaty
JBR said:Yes, I don't remember any party stating in their manifesto that they would agree to the Maastricht Treaty
I also don't remember labour saying they would recklessly spend, or the Tories saying how they would muck up military spending cutbacks (and other things).
I think you'd look at it differently if you had been puked on, sworn at and even physically abused on a regular basis. You should try it sometime.Those nurses that complain about having to treat drunks at weekend A&E's, if they got their wish and drunks stopped getting injured, they would be made redundant, haha.
I think that everyone would agree that all politicians say one thing when they want our votes yet either don't do it, or even do the direct opposite, when they have got what they want. That is accepted as the norm these days which
The difference is that the EEC was offered to us as a free-trade organisation (with which I am quite happy), and nothing else. I don't think there was ever a mention of a possibility that it would become a political dictatorship, nor a guarantee that it wouldn't.
Well facts i can gather
Revenue from Alcohol ~ £14.6Bn per year.
£3.5Bn -NHS (more than smoking related disease)
£11Bn -Crime
Est 7.3Bn -"lost productivity"
I find it fascinating that you seem to lay the blame for everything on your predecessors.
The logic in a lot of your (well reasoned) arguments seems to be "well I've paid in so I can take out"
(high interest) accounting for almost 60% of my income at the time.
I think that everyone would agree that all politicians say one thing when they want our votes yet either don't do it, or even do the direct opposite, when they have got what they want. That is accepted as the norm these days which
It has always been thus, which is why when voting for an MP you should look at who they are, their past links and past voting habits.
Jebus, people will spend more time looking up reviews for a new TV or washing machine rather than just trust the flashy advert, yet when it comes to an MP, a person responsible for law making, they will just take their pamphlets at face value
The difference is that the EEC was offered to us as a free-trade organisation (with which I am quite happy), and nothing else. I don't think there was ever a mention of a possibility that it would become a political dictatorship, nor a guarantee that it wouldn't.
Wiki = "Treaty of Rome (1957)[5] provided a right for the free movement of workers within the European Economic Community".
There you go, black and white, 18 years before the refurendum, and the last time we had this discussion I even linked to some manifestoes that actually talked about immigration.
As I said, I don't remember seeing anything about the EEC becoming a political dictatorship.
As I said, I don't remember seeing anything about the EEC becoming a political dictatorship.
Let's put it this way.
An organisation that wants a common market of goods, workers, services and capital and also proposed the creation of common transport and agriculture policies and a European social fund.
No, who could possibly predict it would become a political construct.
Not really. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.