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Slightly ironic, but there have been criticisms that the MOBOs are racist, in that they ignore the influence of other non-black groups, in the history of "black" music.

Critic Niall Crowley highlights the inherent inaccuracies in the term "black music", for example noting the significant Jewish influences on rhythm and blues and rock n roll. He states: "Without these and many other non-African Americans who played a defining role in the evolution of rhythm and blues, we wouldn’t have much of the great 'black' music we've had over the past 50 years or so." Crowley also juxtaposes the attitudes of the MOBOs with the huge success of black performers in recent decades, writing that the awards reinforce "the idea that today’s black performers are simply the latest generation of sufferers in a long history of victimhood." He argues that in reality "no one could possibly claim that recent generations of black performers have suffered at the hands of a racist music industry" and the MOBOs "encourage music fans to see discrimination and racism where there is none,[7]
You forgot to include the preceding paragraph in your quote, lifted fom another discussion on another site about the same issue.
The preceding paragraph reads:
The Independent newspaper columnist David Lister criticizes the MOBO awards, writing: "I find any notion of separate awards devised for black musicians, and still largely for black musicians, depressing". He went on to say[5] that such awards "limit the music and the performers they claim to honour" and "manage to be both ludicrous and dangerously divisive at the same time." Others[6] reject this criticism, calling it "pedant", and noting that MOBO simply focuses on genres just as other awards focus on other genres.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Media-and-TV/Question1374229-2.html
Which gives both a more prejudiced and a more balanced viewpoint.

Also, no-one would deny any other influences on any genre of music. To do so is ridiculous. All music, composers, and performers are influenced by many external factors. To suggest that the MOBO awards are for music purely of black origin is fallacious.

Additionally, the comment " Crowley also juxtaposes the attitudes of the MOBOs with the huge success of black performers in recent decades," appear to assume, mistakenly, like many posters on here, that the MOBO awards are for black perfomers only. Which is evidently a false assumption.

He goes on to say "no one could possibly claim that recent generations of black performers have suffered at the hands of a racist music industry".
Maybe not now, but there was discimination before the MOBO awards were in existence, which is one reason why they were created.
 
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No, but it excludes other races' (colours') music origins therefore it is, by definition, racist.
However, that argument would be used if referring to the word "white" in a name.
By your reasoning an Indian (Chinese) restaurant is racist because it excludes the preparation and serving of english (white) food. Whereas, a mexican, french, spanish, italian restaurant would not be racist because it serves white food.

Well, there must be many restaurants flouting the discrimination laws.

You're confusing the genre of food (and music) with the people that prepare (perform) it.

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To suggest that the MOBO awards are for music purely of black origin is fallacious.
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They have obviously chosen the wrong name then.
 
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To suggest that the MOBO awards are for music purely of black origin is fallacious.

They have obviously chosen the wrong name then.
You didn't read my comment properly.
You then took a sentence out of context by omitting the previous sentence. We could all do that, but it's misrepresenting someone's comments. But then, if you've stooped so low, there's no hope.
I said: All music, composers, and performers are influenced by many external factors. To suggest that the MOBO awards are for music purely of black origin is fallacious"
No music can have a pure origin. It is all influenced by many other factors.
Laugh away, but learn to read and assimilate the written words next time.
You've been through the absurd stage, the amusing stage, then back to the absurd stage. You've now reached the dishonest stage.
 
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Anyway reindeer, isn't it nearly time for you to empty Santa's sack? ;)
That's probably more useful and more poductive than discussions on this forum. But some of the comments made by the potty posters on here are sometimes highly entertaining, even if counter-intuitive.

The sad thing is that prejudice isn't heriditary, but it is taught at a vey early age by the parents. So, one could say that about the posters who are prejudiced, that it's not their fault. They've been socialised into that psyche from a very early age in their family upbringing.

However it is/was their fault if they've continued that socialisation of their children by teaching them prejudice.

It's a bit like abuse, (I don't necessarily mean sexual, I'm referring to violent or excessive beatings.), those that were abused as children have it in their power to break the cycle. But weakness of will, or unawareness, to take that step perpetuates the cycle.
 
To suggest that the MOBO awards are for music purely of black origin is fallacious.


They have obviously chosen the wrong name then.
It is very sad and tedious when one has to explain the minutiae of one's comments because some can't properly assimilate the written word.

"MOBO awards are not for music purely of black origin."
No award can be for music of a pure origin because, by and large , all music has various influences on it.
As an example, let's take the first genre mentioned in the MOBO awards: gospel music, then look at one of the earliest composers of gospel music.
Geoge F Root, a white musician, from Massachusetts, worked as a church organist for a while in Boston, who travelled extensively in Europe. He also taught at many musical academies in America. He co-wrote other works before he composed a gospel song. He also had an interest in choral music. (All of this is easily found on google.)
So anyone who thinks or suggests that gospel music is of pure black origin needs their head examined.

I could go on, (yes, I could! ;) ) to examine other genres covered by the MOBO awards.
 
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If MOBO doesn't stand for music of purely black origin, why is it called that? Why isn't it called Music Of mainly black origin with some white in there and maybe a bit of yellow? Ah yes, yellow, can you imagine if there was a yellow music awards? Or why isn't it just called the Music Awards?

You still confuse colour with countries and will never see the difference. Chinese food is from China, not Yellowland.It is not food of yellow origin. Why are things categorised according to one's skin colour and not their talent? Is that not racist in itself?

Sensible answer please and leave your thesaurus firmly closed.
 
If MOBO doesn't stand for music of purely black origin, why is it called that?
You are pathetic sometimes, squeaky.
It isn't called music of purely black origin!
Why isn't it called Music Of mainly black origin with some white in there and maybe a bit of yellow?
Yeah that'll work MOMBO - music of mainly black origin. :rolleyes:
Ah yes, yellow, can you imagine if there was a yellow music awards? Or why isn't it just called the Music Awards?
MAMBOWABOWOY. :eek: Music of mainly black origin with a bit of white or yellow.
You are a clown, squeaky!
Or MA - Music Awards, what type of music? :confused:
How about MAMA - Mnet Asian Music Awards (look it up)

You still confuse colour with countries and will never see the difference. Chinese food is from China, not Yellowland. It is not food of yellow origin.
You're trying to draw a distinction where there is none and you'll never understand why. :rolleyes:

Why are things categorised according to one's skin colour and not their talent? Is that not racist in itself?
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It's the genre, not the colour of skin of performer that is honoured. :rolleyes:
 
By your reasoning an Indian (Chinese) restaurant is racist because it excludes the preparation and serving of english (white) food.

No, they are racist because they only hire Indian staff.

It's the genre, not the colour of skin of performer that is honoured. :rolleyes:


No - it is the performer who is honoured (that is how Joss Stone, if memory serves), managed to "win" a MOBO award.

And the BNP has a black member = proof the BNP are not racist.

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Dropclanger, which one are you in this picture?

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By your reasoning an Indian (Chinese) restaurant is racist because it excludes the preparation and serving of english (white) food.

No, they are racist because they only hire Indian staff.
So the fact that english food is excluded does not determine them racist!
Good, I do believe that you are "getting it".
Doesn't one expect to see Asian staff in an Asain restaurant, Spanish staff in a Spanish restaurant, etc.
You're just copying squeaky in the clown department, aren't you?

It's the genre, not the colour of skin of performer that is honoured. :rolleyes:


No - it is the performer who is honoured (that is how Joss Stone, if memory serves), managed to "win" a MOBO award.
:rolleyes: She wouldn't have been nominated if she'd performed some classical music. :rolleyes:
Being a soul singer, it's hardly likely that she would have been singing some classical number. :rolleyes:

And the BNP has a black member = proof the BNP are not racist.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dropclanger, which one are you in this picture?

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I'm the one just beside you. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
It's easy to win an argument by just moving the goal posts all the time.
Have you tried sticking your tongue out?

You don't need to be white to be a racist.

You don't need to be black to appreciate or perform music of black origin.
 
Why is the black lady not chained up too?
After all her ancestors helped shackle up ****a kinte.
 
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