Which MCB for this cable?

[officeguy]

So why go to the trouble of saying that he isn't under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety?

I don't see anywhere where anyone has even implied that, never mind said that directly.

 

[JohnW2]

It is apparent from the questions that the OP is asking me that he is very concerned about matters of safety, and wishes to have an understanding of the reason for what he's being told, all of which is clearly laudable.

Indeed. So why go to the trouble of saying that he isn't under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety?

I do hope that you're not going to ruin yet another thread by littering it with posts which are neither useful nor relevant to the topic.

The OP said nothing about "not being under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety". He said that he was outside of the jurisdiction of Part P of the Building Regulations (hence also related issues of notification), which I presume is correct.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

It is apparent from the questions that the OP is asking me that he is very concerned about matters of safety, and wishes to have an understanding of the reason for what he's being told, all of which is clearly laudable.

Thanks John ... I'm not doing the work myself actually. I just want to be able to understand the work someone else is doing for me. He is registered with the NICEIC, but I still want my own understanding to be on the safe side Don't want anyone pulling the wool over my eyes.

Yes, I understand that. I would suggest that you try to just ignore the distractions. In fact, they may magically disappear before long!

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So why go to the trouble of saying that he isn't under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety?

I don't see anywhere where anyone has even implied that, never mind said that directly.

Note: I live in a part of the UK where there is no Part P.

Or, expanding "Part P":

Note: I live in a part of the UK where there is no legal requirement to make reasonable provision in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury.

 

[JohnW2]

Incidentally, is the table available online somewhere where I can see the 13A figure?

I'm not sure that you'll find current Tables online (they exist in the Wiring Regulations", aka BS7671) - but I think there are some old versions on TLC's website (someone will probably post links).

Also, when you talk about "some kinds of fuses", is that in reference to rewireable fuses in the CU (instead of MCB), or do my 5A fused switches (in line with each heater) mess the calculations up/

Indeed, I was referring to re-wireable fuses in CUs, not to cartridge fuses in plugs or FCUs.

Kind Regards, John

 

[officeguy]

So why go to the trouble of saying that he isn't under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety?

I don't see anywhere where anyone has even implied that, never mind said that directly.

Note: I live in a part of the UK where there is no Part P.

Or, expanding "Part P":

Note: I live in a part of the UK where there is no legal requirement to make reasonable provision in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury.

Ok, this is my last post to you ban-all-sheds.

That is not what I said. That is you changing my words. I'm not sure you are aware of this, but there is more than 1 law in most countries. There are many other laws that ensure safety in the workplace.

What's funny though, is that for a domestic premises, your version of my words is actually true! Where am I, we aren't under any statutory legal obligation to make sure that the house electrics are safe, beyond regular common tort law. Contractual agreement with the insurance company though, yes of course.

But I am trying to be safe. Hence why I'm here. Asking questions, so I'm knowable on what my electrician is doing.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I do hope that you're not going to ruin yet another thread by littering it with posts which are neither useful nor relevant to the topic.

I'm sorry that you think that safety concerns are neither useful nor relevant.

The OP seemed to consider it relevant to point out that he was not under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety etc. And that concerned me - why would someone want to mention it?

The OP said nothing about "not being under any legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety".

That's exactly what he said.

He said that he was outside of the jurisdiction of Part P of the Building Regulations

And Part P is what creates the legal obligation to make reasonable provision for safety everywhere except NI.

(hence also related issues of notification), which I presume is correct

Yes, he will also be exempt from notification, but that has nothing to do with Part P.

And that exemption is also another irrelevant fact as he is going to be using a NICIEIC electrician.

 

[JohnW2]

I do hope that you're not going to ruin yet another thread by littering it with posts which are neither useful nor relevant to the topic.

I'm sorry that you think that safety concerns are neither useful nor relevant.

I obviously don't, and, equally obviously, nor does the OP. What I do think is neither useful nor relevant to the thread is your needless bickering.

I have asked the mods to do as they see fit with the non-useful posts in this thread, in the hope that it can be saved from going the same way as so many other threads.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That is not what I said.

It clearly is.

That is you changing my words.

No, it was I showing what "I live in a part of the UK where there is no Part P" is exactly equivalent to.

I'm not sure you are aware of this, but there is more than 1 law in most countries. There are many other laws that ensure safety in the workplace.

I am aware of that.

But I am trying to be safe. Hence why I'm here.

It isn't you who needs to do things safely, it is your electrician.

Asking questions, so I'm knowable on what my electrician is doing.

Shame you can't trust him to get a simple thing like understanding cable installation methods right.

Perhaps you should be asking yourself why you are using an electrician whose competence and honesty you doubt.

 

[officeguy]

Perhaps you should be asking yourself why you are using an electrician whose competence and honesty you doubt.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why you find it weird that someone just likes to understand what is going on around them. I take interest in what my contractors do, and like to remain competent in the process.