no one should be forced to do anything, they could of just respected there believes,and gone to another bakery. why not.
RoI rejects religion...
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no one should be forced to do anything, they could of just respected there believes,and gone to another bakery. why not.
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What if my belief was that disabled people go against nature? Should I be allowed to refuse their custom based on my beliefs?
Because (in UK) discrimination is illegal.
What about the bakers respecting other people's beliefs?
Do you think that should apply to black people as well?
If a black man, or a jew, or a homosexual, or a jehova's witness, or a traveller, wants to buy a cake. or stay in a hotel, or enter a bar, is the proprietor entitled to refuse just because the would-be customer is a black man, or a jew, or a homosexual, or a jehova's witness, or a traveller, which the proprietor dislikes or disapproves of?
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In reality, we all know the answer to that one as the law sees it.
However, my personal view is that 'the law is an ass' and for far too many years we have seen an erosion of personal choice in all aspects of our lives. If someone wishes to deny a service to an individual then so be it. The choice ought to be theirs. The customer can always take his/her business elsewhere.
So you advocate for all prejudices then?
I advocate personal freedom and personal choice as against the ever-increasing encroachment of the 'nanny state'.
If you choose to see this as me advocating prejudice then that is a matter for you.
'I say potato.........'
If you choose to see this as me advocating prejudice then that is a matter for you.
'I say potato.........'
Does your version of personal freedom encompass apartheid, racial segregation, and denial of rights to citizens?
Would it be easier for you to exercise your "freedom" if the people you dislike wore coloured triangles to identify themselves?
Would it be easier for you to exercise your "freedom" if the people you dislike wore coloured triangles to identify themselves?
So you refuse to serve me in your pub, because, let's say, I'm black. I lean over the counter and headbutt you.
In your world, this is ok because everybody has exercised their personal freedom?
Let's not forget, both refusing to serve me and my assaulting you is currently illegal. But if you can exercise personal choice irrespective of the current law, so can I, right?
Your original post and my replies were about the refusal of a business owner to offer services to individuals.
The matters you now mention bear no relation to that issue.
My belief is that a person ought to be able to refuse service as a personal choice.
Apartheid, racial segregation and denial of citizen rights are all systems IMPOSED on individuals and do not involve any form of personal freedom of choice.
I said nothing about ignoring the law. I made it clear what the law dictates and that is what we must all abide by.
What I said is that I disagree with the law as it stands but that doesn't mean I will ignore it.
There are many laws I do not agree with but I continue to abide by them irrespective of my own views.
I dare say we all have similar views on some aspects of the law.
No, they are all systems introduced to support and institutionalise prejudices by people who wanted to discriminate against those they disliked or disapproved of.
You have not said if your version of personal freedom encompasses them.
I'm sure that at one time any person offering a service had the right to deny that service to someone without having to give a reason.
Of course, there are many reasons why someone may wish to deny a service and I believe that, if the recipient feels that they have been discriminated against, it is up to them to prove it.
It is strange that one person can claim to be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexual leanings, whilst another cannot claim that their request is in contravention of their religious leanings.
As someone mentioned earlier, why haven't these homosexuals tried to order a cake proclaiming their sexuality from a muslim baker?
It seems that, in this country, we have a hierarchy of personal situations and beliefs, and Christianity comes somewhere near the bottom of the pile.
And thank goodness that the current law makers do prevent the bigotry you support.
I disagree with any system which removes individual personal choice.
However, as I have stated, if the law dictates otherwise [as in the current discrimination legislation] then I must abide by it.
In relation to the systems you mention, they are all systems which remove individual personal choice and, therefore, I do not endorse them. These systems remove personal choice by forcing individuals to do things the system's way and remove personal choice across the board (where to live, who to marry, where to sit on the bus etc. etc.)
To clarify - I am against any such system.
However, as I have stated, if the law dictates otherwise [as in the current discrimination legislation] then I must abide by it.
In relation to the systems you mention, they are all systems which remove individual personal choice and, therefore, I do not endorse them. These systems remove personal choice by forcing individuals to do things the system's way and remove personal choice across the board (where to live, who to marry, where to sit on the bus etc. etc.)
To clarify - I am against any such system.
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