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Err no they didn't. Common sense should tell you that if it takes a modern cremating oven two hours to burn one body with a burner that looks like a jet fighter afterburner, then to burn two will take four hours and three will take six hours. Putting five bodies in an oven designed to take one body (they don't fit btw) would probably stop the oven from working and put the thing out. Also, the records for the amount of coke used at the camp are available - and nowhere near enough went to that camp to burn millions of bodies. If we can't do it today - then they surely couldn't do it in a wartime camp. Aren't you a structural engineer? Well why don't you understand the first thing about science?:(
It's not the same as a modern situation. The majority of the bodies they were dealing with were skin and bone with virtually no fat and very low levels of water, typically less than 50kg or 60kg. They also weren't concerned with decent treatment of the bodies. The Topf and sons ovens were also industrial types originally designed for large animals and adapted for human use. It's also recorded that many bodies were under cremated and archaeologists have specifically commented on that fact. So 90 to 120 minutes is viable and I see no technical problem with that.

You still haven't addressed the contemporary records. Why would Topf say the capacity was thousands per month? Why did they need 52 ovens? Why did they need over 800 stokers? That's 16 per oven. If you were generous and said four per oven that would be three 8 hour shifts per 24 hours. All these facts from different sources confirm the figures. The German soldier who wrote the report knew nothing of Prufer yet their reports, made at different times, for different reasons, concur.
You should do some more research mate, according to the "records" no more than 38 of the 52 ovens were operational at any one time, there were periods of idleness recorded as well as breakdowns.
The Topf ovens were basic coke fired models if you look at some of the original photos of these ovens you can see cremation urns stacked beside the oven, these were for the ashes of the individuals who were cremated, most of what you have posted above is untrue, the claim that you can somehow use human corpses as fuel to cremate other corpses is absurd.
The claim that over a million people were cremated using the 52 Auschwitz ovens doesn't stand up, according to Topf each oven was only guaranteed for 3000 cremations and that is with proper maintenance, regular cleaning ect, so do the sums yourself.
You should also look at the sources of your information, all this stuff about using thin bodies as fuel to cremate fat bodies comes from the same sources that put up the "4 million died here" sign at Auschwitz.
As for the Archaeologists who commented on the fact that some bodies were under cremated , who were these Archaeologists and did they ever see these bodies in person and if they did why didn't they take hair or tissue samples to have them analysed for cyanide poisoning.
Don't know where you got that from but I never said it. The facts I did quote are from people at the time who had no reason to make anything up.
 
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I would be more than happy to change my mind. I spent most of my life believing, but when I really looked at the so called evidence it was clear that it just wasn't true. I read all the books such as 'five chimneys', saw Schindler's List etc. But it really just makes no sense when you look at the facts. No-one with any intellect can look at the facts without drawing the same conclusion.
That is a no dressed up as a yes to make you seem reasonable

Why ask the question if you are unwilling to accept the answer. Now answer the questions I set for Turkey. He doesn't seem able to answer them.

Joe-90 claims to know more than professional historians who spend decades of their lives researching the Holocaust, and who have access to original records, and first hand testimonies. Well, he has seen Schindler's List. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO::p:) Is this fruit cake for real?
 
I would be more than happy to change my mind. I spent most of my life believing, but when I really looked at the so called evidence it was clear that it just wasn't true. I read all the books such as 'five chimneys', saw Schindler's List etc. But it really just makes no sense when you look at the facts. No-one with any intellect can look at the facts without drawing the same conclusion.
That is a no dressed up as a yes to make you seem reasonable

Why ask the question if you are unwilling to accept the answer. Now answer the questions I set for Turkey. He doesn't seem able to answer them.

Joe-90 claims to know more than professional historians who spend decades of their lives researching the Holocaust, and who have access to original records, and first hand testimonies. Well, he has seen Schindler's List. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO::p:) Is this fruit cake for real?
I honestly think it's all an elaborate fraud. I simply cannot see how someone can spout such bull sh1t as he has and still want to be taken seriously, without it being a wind up.
 
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I would be more than happy to change my mind. I spent most of my life believing, but when I really looked at the so called evidence it was clear that it just wasn't true. I read all the books such as 'five chimneys', saw Schindler's List etc. But it really just makes no sense when you look at the facts. No-one with any intellect can look at the facts without drawing the same conclusion.
That is a no dressed up as a yes to make you seem reasonable

Why ask the question if you are unwilling to accept the answer. Now answer the questions I set for Turkey. He doesn't seem able to answer them.

Joe-90 claims to know more than professional historians who spend decades of their lives researching the Holocaust, and who have access to original records, and first hand testimonies. Well, he has seen Schindler's List. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO::p:) Is this fruit cake for real?


Here's your list of questions. If you cannot answer them - you lose. Simple as that.

Please explain how 900,000 people (ten times the cup final crowd) were gassed, dragged manually into a hole in the ground the size of a swimming pool and buried in Treblinka. Then explain why a death camp would forget to build any crematoria. Who designed this camp? Who forgot to build the crematoria? Why do aerial laser scans prove no mass grave was ever dug? Why did no-one see a body that had been gassed? That's 11,000,000 bodies and not one witness. Why did Auschwitz have a hospital? Why wasn't Anne Frank killed on arrival as the legend tells us? If all those Jews were killed - then who the heck is drawing pensions in Israel? Ignore what you have been told as a child. Engage your intellect and answer my questions. (he won't)
 
I honestly think it's all an elaborate fraud. I simply cannot see how someone can spout such bull sh1t as he has and still want to be taken seriously, without it being a wind up.


Answer the questions then. If you cannot - then you lose.

Please explain how 900,000 people (ten times the cup final crowd) were gassed, dragged manually into a hole in the ground the size of a swimming pool and buried in Treblinka. Then explain why a death camp would forget to build any crematoria. Who designed this camp? Who forgot to build the crematoria? Why do aerial laser scans prove no mass grave was ever dug? Why did no-one see a body that had been gassed? That's 11,000,000 bodies and not one witness. Why did Auschwitz have a hospital? Why wasn't Anne Frank killed on arrival as the legend tells us? If all those Jews were killed - then who the heck is drawing pensions in Israel? Ignore what you have been told as a child. Engage your intellect and answer my questions. (he won't)
 
BTW folks. It's the eye witness accounts that PROVE it was a fraud. A massive conspiracy theory that allowed the establishment of Israel. When it is proven fake (as it will be) then they will have to give Palestine back to the Palestinians.
 
I would be more than happy to change my mind. I spent most of my life believing, but when I really looked at the so called evidence it was clear that it just wasn't true. I read all the books such as 'five chimneys', saw Schindler's List etc. But it really just makes no sense when you look at the facts. No-one with any intellect can look at the facts without drawing the same conclusion.
That is a no dressed up as a yes to make you seem reasonable

Why ask the question if you are unwilling to accept the answer. Now answer the questions I set for Turkey. He doesn't seem able to answer them.

Joe-90 claims to know more than professional historians who spend decades of their lives researching the Holocaust, and who have access to original records, and first hand testimonies. Well, he has seen Schindler's List. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO::p:) Is this fruit cake for real?
I honestly think it's all an elaborate fraud. I simply cannot see how someone can spout such bull sh1t as he has and still want to be taken seriously, without it being a wind up.

Bingo!
 
BTW folks. It's the eye witness accounts that PROVE it was a fraud. A massive conspiracy theory that allowed the establishment of Israel. When it is proven fake (as it will be) then they will have to give Palestine back to the Palestinians.
Proof of the conspiracy (you won't have any cos your talking sh1te)
 
I honestly think it's all an elaborate fraud. I simply cannot see how someone can spout such bull sh1t as he has and still want to be taken seriously, without it being a wind up.


Answer the questions then. If you cannot - then you lose.

Please explain how 900,000 people (ten times the cup final crowd) were gassed, dragged manually into a hole in the ground the size of a swimming pool and buried in Treblinka. Then explain why a death camp would forget to build any crematoria. Who designed this camp? Who forgot to build the crematoria? Why do aerial laser scans prove no mass grave was ever dug? Why did no-one see a body that had been gassed? That's 11,000,000 bodies and not one witness. Why did Auschwitz have a hospital? Why wasn't Anne Frank killed on arrival as the legend tells us? If all those Jews were killed - then who the heck is drawing pensions in Israel? Ignore what you have been told as a child. Engage your intellect and answer my questions. (he won't)
Why don't you answer my questions Joe? Is that because there is no proof of this massive 70 year old cover up? A global conspiracy defrauding countless governments of billions of dollars that leaves no evidence? Hahaha yeah nice one Joe.

In the end this comes down to good old fashioned anti semitism, as it always does
 
Why don't you answer my questions Joe? Is that because there is no proof of this massive 70 year old cover up? A global conspiracy defrauding countless governments of billions of dollars that leaves no evidence? Hahaha yeah nice one Joe.

In the end this comes down to good old fashioned anti semitism, as it always does
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It comes down to logistics. What cannot be possible by logistics never happened. Now answer my questions or go away.
 
Answer the questions then. If you cannot - then you lose.

Please explain how 900,000 people (ten times the cup final crowd) were gassed, dragged manually into a hole in the ground the size of a swimming pool and buried in Treblinka. Then explain why a death camp would forget to build any crematoria. Who designed this camp? Who forgot to build the crematoria? Why do aerial laser scans prove no mass grave was ever dug? Why did no-one see a body that had been gassed? That's 11,000,000 bodies and not one witness. Why did Auschwitz have a hospital? Why wasn't Anne Frank killed on arrival as the legend tells us? If all those Jews were killed - then who the heck is drawing pensions in Israel? Ignore what you have been told as a child. Engage your intellect and answer my questions. (he won't)
 
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