'Unhelpful posts' ??

[SUNRAY]

I really hope I don't give that impression, I enjoy a good read.

And now it's moved to the inaccuracies of the plumbing personel

Yes it is a tank, assuming we are referring to the tanks installed in domestic properties in lofts to provide a header to the vented heating system and the domestic hot water and also to provide the flushing facility for toilets.
Yes they are all water tanks, indeed as the hot water cylinder is too.
The fact that we have abbreviated 'cistern tank' to 'cistern' doesn't stop it being a tank. It isn't restricted to water as it can equally be any fluid such as petrol.

 

[denso13]

And now it's moved to the inaccuracies of the plumbing personel

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Yes it is a tank, assuming we are referring to the tanks installed in domestic properties in lofts to provide a header to the vented heating system and the domestic hot water and also to provide the flushing facility for toilets.
Yes they are all water tanks, indeed as the hot water cylinder is too.
The fact that we have abbreviated 'cistern tank' to 'cistern' doesn't stop it being a tank. It isn't restricted to water as it can equally be any fluid such as petrol.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. It doesn't mean it's correct though.

Professionals tend to use the professional term, I dare say you've come across that in the electrical industry as well.

 

[JohnW2]

8 pages and counting, from "noon" to "sausages" and other things in between. I rest my case

As I've observed, it is fairly unusual to have multiple 'jumps of topic' within one thread - much more commonly, it is a single 'jump' (often to a 'related' topic) which then remains true to the 'new topic' for the remainder of the thread

Kind Regards, John

 

[SUNRAY]

You are of course entitled to your opinion. It doesn't mean it's correct though.

I certainly know what a cistern is and how the term is misused within the 'plumbing trade' on a daily basis, in fact most of the domestic heating/hot water tanks are mistitled on a daily basis by the professionals who install and maintain them.

Professionals tend to use the professional term, I dare say you've come across that in the electrical industry as well.

I've worked within professional services and systems for the whole of my working life, >50 years which has covered a multitude of different trades. Yes professionals use professional terms and I've regularly heard plumbers, pipe fitters, duct fitters, electricians, carpenters etcetera using the wrong terms and I go along with all of them as long as everyone understands what's being said or even worse - written. However when I hear or see something being 'corrected' with the wrong term I often have to raise the questions. In this instance the vast majority of cisterns are tanks but many of the things described as cisterns are not cisterns, professional or not.

That said, I know and understand which devices are labelled as cisterns so I go along with the incorrect useage just as I do when electricians call wire 'cable' and carpenters call a prepared piece of wood 'lumber', or someone calls a bolt a 'screw' etc.

 

[denso13]

That said, I know and understand which devices are labelled as cisterns so I go along with the incorrect useage

It really isn't incorrect in plumbing terms. Look at water regs and search for the terms "cistern" and "tank" separately.

See what you come up with. And don't just say "well the water regs are wrong".

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1148/pdfs/uksi_19991148_en.pdf

 

[denso13]

And you could do the same search in teaching material. It is quite clear what the correct term is.

https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/BTEC-Nationals/Construction-and-the-Built-Environment/2017/specification/btec-l3-nat-dip-in-building-services-engineering-spec.pdf

https://bpec.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Section-6-%E2%80%93-H6022697.pdf

https://bpec.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/BPEC0022-Water-Supply-Water-Fittings-Regulations-1999-Shop.pdf

 

[SUNRAY]

It really isn't incorrect in plumbing terms. Look at water regs and search for the terms "cistern" and "tank" separately.

See what you come up with. And don't just say "well the water regs are wrong".

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1148/pdfs/uksi_19991148_en.pdf

I know what the correct useage has been corrupted to and no I don't need to look up the information, as an 'electrician' I'm more across and aware of much of that information you reference than some professional plumbers.
Anyway I hope you realise I started this with a sneaky wink.

 

[JohnW2]

..... I think I've seen this 'singling out' with one other member of this forum (not seen for some time), who used to come to the forum once every few weeks and seemed to do little other than to 'single out' messages posted by me and 'criticise' them. However, he was a little more explicit in a manner that suggested his problem was primarily related to my lack of background/experience - which I suppose is sort=of fair enough (up to a point!).

Maybe his ears were burning! Although he has 'not been seen for some time' (at least, not noticed by me), he has appeared today and has attempted to 'correct' something I posted!

 

[blup]

Cistern is to tank what bulb is to lamp, interchangeable surely.

 

[SUNRAY]

Cistern is to tank what bulb is to lamp, interchangeable surely.

Avoiding current descriptions for now, all cisterns are tanks but not all tanks are cicterns, for example a vented DHW cylinder is a tank but it is not a cistern, actually a better term for it is a calorifier but that term is usually reserved for professionals.

 

[JohnW2]

Cistern is to tank what bulb is to lamp, interchangeable surely.

Every trade, profession and discipline has its 'jargon', which often does not correspond with the 'everyday English' of the general public.

I must say that I can't recall ever having heard of anything in a domestic setting other that a WC 'cistern'being called a cistern.

Beyond that, the "cisterns' I've heard most about are underground, or biological.

Kind Regards, John

 

[SUNRAY]

Every trade, profession and discipline has its 'jargon', which often does not correspond with the 'everyday English' of the general public.

I must say that I can't recall ever having heard of anything in a domestic setting other that a WC 'cistern'being called a cistern.

Beyond that, the "cisterns' I've heard most about are underground, or biological.

Kind Regards, John

WC flush tanks and rainwater butts are the closest thing most domestic properties have to a cistern. Realistically the original cisterns were mostly brick built, mostly underground or hewn from solid rock.

 

[JohnW2]

WC flush tanks and rainwater butts are the closest thing most domestic properties have to a cistern.

As I said, in a domestic context it's only the former of those that I can recall ever having heard being called a 'cistern'. A rainwater butt is usually called a rainwater butt,or suchlike.

 

[SUNRAY]

... A rainwater butt is usually called a rainwater butt,or suchlike.

Indeed it is but it is possibly the closet thing to a cistern found in domestic situations and the closest thing to the original use of a cistern.

 

[JohnW2]

Indeed it is but it is possibly the closet thing to a cistern found in domestic situations and the closest thing to the original use of a cistern.

Perhaps, but that doesn't alter the fact that I don't recall ever have heard anyone (even those in vaguely relevant trades/professions) use the word in relation to a rainwater butt.

As I said, what I presume denso's signature is referring to is discipline-specific terminology/jargon. Other than those associated with loos, the 'cisterns' I have been most familiar with are in the brain!