Tony Blair.

joe-90 · 30 Jun 2015

In other words you realise that you cannot answer the question so resort to abuse. This tells us that you admit the Holocaust didn't happen, but are so far unable to open your mind and absorb the true information. I'll keep working with you. I won't give up on you. I promise.

vinty · 1 Jul 2015

mikeey84 said:
joe-90 said:

You two aren't putting up any sort of defence. Why is that? Why can't you defend the indefensible? How did the 50,000 die at Belsen? No answer? Cat got your tongue?

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While Bergen-Belsen contained no gas chambers, an estimated 50,000 people died of starvation, overwork, disease, brutality and sadistic medical experiments

That is rubbish mate, most of the deaths in Belsen occurred during the last months of the war, Belsen was a camp with a capacity to hold 15,000 inmates , just before Germany surrendered there were 60 thousand refugees evacuated from the Eastern camps in Belsen, some of these refugees were carrying typhus this started the epidemic which got out control killing thousands.
When the British took control of the camp thousands were still dying every week, according to the camp records the mortality rate was about average for most of the camps history, it wasn't until the closing months of the war that order in the camp started to break down and when thousands of refugees from the East flooded in the system collapsed completely.
There is other film footage taken at the same time as Richard Dimbly filmed the scenes of bodies being bulldozed into mass graves by the British, this footage shows thousands of perfectly healthy inmates being released.

vinty · 1 Jul 2015

The problem with the holocaust narrative is that unlike other well documented Genocides the existence of bodies and the cause of death has never been verified by independent impartial investigation by professionals, in other words the Holocaust only exists in the minds of those who believe in it.
The only evidence that anything happened comes from the eyewitness accounts, so take away the eye witness accounts and a morgue is just a morgue and not a gas chamber, Zyclon B is just a disinfectant and not a murder weapon ect. so if an "eye witness"says he saw 5000 people a day being cremated in crematoria capable of cremating only a few hundred a day he has to be telling the truth or the Holcaust did happen as claimed.

WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Jul 2015

vinty said:
The problem with the holocaust narrative is that unlike other well documented Genocides the existence of bodies and the cause of death has never been verified by independent impartial investigation by professionals, in other words the Holocaust only exists in the minds of those who believe in it.
The only evidence that anything happened comes from the eyewitness accounts, so take away the eye witness accounts and a morgue is just a morgue and not a gas chamber, Zyclon B is just a disinfectant and not a murder weapon ect. so if an "eye witness"says he saw 5000 people a day being cremated in crematoria capable of cremating only a few hundred a day he has to be telling the truth or the Holcaust did happen as claimed.

Wow. So you can provide supporting evidence from respected academics and historians who support this view, or you've been uncritically reading the sort of lies and misinformation Joe-90 posts, and which are propagated by organisations and people with neo-Nazi connections? Would you care to explain why all respected historians have no issue with the accounts on Wikipedia for example? It is hard for a non expert to pick apart the lies, as you need to be an expert in the field. But one poster showed the so-called quote from the Red Cross was in fact disowned by the Red Cross, and hence was made up by these extreme right wing types. Some of the people he cites as sources for 'facts' have been imprisoned for inciting racial hatred, by spreading false information for example.

The problem with these extreme right wing types is they say "we like Jews, we just want to find the truth" but in reality they make up 'facts', then conclude "oh look, those Jews have lied, well they are not very nice are they". And in any case, the Nazis murdered not just Jews, but Roma, homosexuals, political opponents, the mentally handicapped and so on. In fact the mentally handicapped were some of the first to be gassed, by directing the exhaust of a van into the rear compartment.

WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Jul 2015

This is worth reading:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Efforts_to_conceal_the_historical_record

Unlike neo-Nazis such as Joe-90, they cite sources. The account of senior American army chiefs not being able to stomach touring a camp is telling. General Eisenhower was so shocked he forced himself to act as a witness to the depravity that he found, and invited local Germans in to bury the bodies so they saw what had been done. So, just because senior army officers say it's true, just because thousands of other witnesses exist, along with survivors, and along with huge amounts of physical evidence, that is not enough? Yeah right, I am not that naive.

joe-90 · 1 Jul 2015

Another load of tosh. The so-called death van was in fact a diesel engine van which is totally unsuitable for gassing people compared with petrol. Also, why on earth would the Germans use such a crude device when they had already invented Sarin and Tabun? Also. why is there not a single eye witness to the gassing of 11,000,000 people. Why has not a single witness seen a body that has been gassed? Forget your so called Jewish scholars, their job is to perpetuate the myth. If it can't be done logistically - then it simply never happened.

joe-90 · 1 Jul 2015

WalksWithTurkeys said:
This is worth reading:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Efforts_to_conceal_the_historical_record

Unlike neo-Nazis such as Joe-90, they cite sources. The account of senior American army chiefs not being able to stomach touring a camp is telling. General Eisenhower was so shocked he forced himself to act as a witness to the depravity that he found, and invited local Germans in to bury the bodies so they saw what had been done. So, just because senior army officers say it's true, just because thousands of other witnesses exist, along with survivors, and along with huge amounts of physical evidence, that is not enough? Yeah right, I am not that naive.

Well you are actually. That is what typhus does to people. Show me an eye witness that saw a gassed body and I'll prove him a liar.

joe-90 · 1 Jul 2015

WalksWithTurkeys said:
This is worth reading:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Efforts_to_conceal_the_historical_record

Wikipedia has Jewish owners. Do you really think they will actually promote revisionism of the holocaust?

WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Jul 2015

joe-90 said:
WalksWithTurkeys said:

This is worth reading:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Efforts_to_conceal_the_historical_record

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Wikipedia has Jewish owners. Do you really think they will actually promote revisionism of the holocaust?

Dear Herr Holzkopf.

Your answer to an established source is "The publisher is Jewish". Give it a rest. Wikipedia is edited and checked for accuracy by independent volunteers. There are about 70,000 active editors, about half of which are English language editors. And they cite large numbers of sources, unlike your posts which cite either no sources, or a few sources who have been to prison for incitement of racial hatred.

As for your other posts, utter bullsh1t with not one citation/source. Just cos you say it's true, don't make it true Wooden Head Nazi-Boy.

By the way, what qualifications do you have that indicate any ability to critically analyse data/texts? None is my bet.

joe-90 · 1 Jul 2015

Calm down and use your intellect for once. Do your own research with an open mind. Wikipedia is Jewish owned. They are NOT going to start questioning the Holocaust. Only YOU can do that. Questioning history shouldn't be a criminal offence should it? The simple fact is, that until you can tell the world how 11,000,000 people were transported all over Europe, gassed and disposed of without a single eye witness, then we must conclude that the Holocaust simply never happened. Forget your left wing/right wing bullshit and give your brain some work. It is logistically impossible. Think about it. If you think it IS possible - then you tell us how because your Jewish scholars haven't got a clue about that one.

joe-90 · 1 Jul 2015

This how we KNOW that movement of 11,000,000 people never took place. They would have been blown up. Put your brain into gear and stop being a turkey. It's also the reason that the camps ran out of food and Zyklon B for fumigation purposes and allowed the spread of typhus.

WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Jul 2015

joe-90 said:
Calm down and use your intellect for once. Do your own research with an open mind. Wikipedia is Jewish owned. They are NOT going to start questioning the Holocaust. Only YOU can do that. Questioning history shouldn't be a criminal offence should it? The simple fact is, that until you can tell the world how 11,000,000 people were transported all over Europe, gassed and disposed of without a single eye witness, then we must conclude that the Holocaust simply never happened. Forget your left wing/right wing bullshit and give your brain some work. It is logistically impossible. Think about it. If you think it IS possible - then you tell us how because your Jewish scholars haven't got a clue about that one.

Guten tag Herr Holzkopf

Provide me with a) independent respected sources for the supposed 'facts' that you quote and b) an indication of your own ability to think as assessed by independent observers e.g. a degree from a recognised university. Until then your posts are no more than unsubstantiated drivel from neo-Nazis, and assorted fruit cakes.

joe-90 · 1 Jul 2015

I won't give up on you. I promise. I don't have a degree but my daughter is doing a PhD in psychology. I've read many of her books and I can see your issues. Bear with me and I'll help you out.

WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Jul 2015

joe-90 said:
I won't give up on you. I promise. I don't have a degree but my daughter is doing a PhD in psychology. I've read many of her books and I can see your issues. Bear with me and I'll help you out.

Guten Tag Herr Holzkopf

Right, so you don't even have a degree, you cite supposed 'facts' which either have no source, or the source is an extremist right wing organisation/person with neo-Nazi links. The sources I have access to cite respected academic journals, books and well known figures e.g. General Eisenhower. I do have a degree, and a PhD, both from Russell group universities. But to be honest no-one needs a degree to see that you are posting crap. I won't waste any more time with this dross. You are a neo-Nazi, no bones about it, and I despise such scum, because that is what you are, degrenerate, dishonest racist scum. Go crawl back under your stone. If it'll have you back, I don't think it will.

Belboz · 1 Jul 2015

Have to disagree with you somewhat there WWT.
You don't need a degree to hold a debate.
Neither does attending any of The Russell Group Universities guarantee intellectual reasoning.
After all, David Irving himself attended both ICL and UCL which are both in that group and you know what he had to say! (Yes I know he didn't finish either stint)

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