Isn't the idea of "ever closer union" also a matter of historical record?
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But similarly, Adolf Hitler also wanted to create European unity, wanted us all to have the same national anthem, to salute the same flag and use propaganda and coercion to ensure that democracy could be impossible. This too is not an opinion but a matter of historical record
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the men who took the first peaceful steps to create European unity by agreement were 100% the opposite.
To them he was not a picture in a book.
I know who I admire, and who I despise.
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Ironic that he is harking back to the days of total war between European nations, the very thing that European integration was set up to prevent.
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Indeed, it does seem that Hitlers replacements are strutting around with a new flag, anthem, and means to gain total domination. Even Ode to Joy is written by that famous German, Beethoven... I hope that you stood tall and proud whilst they played it.
As a proud anti-European, Fire dredges the depths of his septic mind in order to cause the maximum offense.
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Just because what I write offends you, it doesn't mean that it isn't true. Can we vote the Commissioners out of office?
It could be as bad or worse. Distance from say New York to Los Angeles over 2,000 miles, distance from say Calais to Croatia less than 1,000 miles. Then there's the overnight stops, etc to factor in as well.
The time difference becomes even more obvious.
Assuming that a) market in EU does not stop suddenly, and b) the market in USA does not start suddenly (competing against existing sustainable competitors) the EU standards would have to be continued. If export (albeit in a limited state) continues to the EU well after Brexit, the EU standards would still apply (and probably have become international standards anyhow) and it would be foolish to manufacture two different products.
If you tried to use that money to compensate all the manufacturers for their increased shipping costs, you'd need a whole new administration to process it, which would cost a whole new set of costs. And I bet there would be some substantial losers along the way. (and probably some substantial winners)
You've lost the context of the discussion.
I initially said: "what if you wanted to get back in". You've lost the context by dismissing my question without answering it.
You've missed the point.
Trade with EU would not stop abruptly. It would decrease over time.
Trade with other markets would not begin suddenly, it would take some serious marketing to break into existing well-founded competitive markets.
It would not be cost-effective to make two different products, one meeting EU regulations, and t'other not meeting those regulations.
Plus the EU regulations, such as fuel-efficiency, pollution, etc are becoming international standards.
Any advantages of not meeting EU standards would be offset by the costs and difficulties of making two different products.
But we're in danger of over-simplifying the issues.
Again, you've rather missed the context of my intended intimation.
If the EAW would be retained after any reforming of the EU, so it's highly likely that it would be retained after any Brexit. Inded the article linked to in my response demonstrates the desire of some to retain the EAW.
That was why I described your reference to the EAW as a red herring. It's a single issue and can't be discussed in isolation, and it's probably not involved in the Brexit anyway.
I say this with respect.
That's just you trying to derail a reasonable discussion. I clearly referenced my comment to the value of your contribution of resorting to pictures of flags and a tourist destination. They add nothing to the debate. So I assumed you had surrendered your position.
Now you try to derail the debate which assures me that you have surrendered your opinion. Am I right?
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I would say a very appropriate quotation, but we're not at war with EU! It's an agreement with the EU that we are discussing, not UDI!
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