Am I being harsh on this plumber?

[DavidSWP]

And are you significantly taller ( or just heavier ) than he is ?

To explain why he is apparently worried about you attacking him if he comes round?

As I intimated earlier, not that many would know how to use a wireless connection instead of fitting an extra wire.

Tony

I don't really see how the size and weight thing is relevant. It seems like a troll attempt to be honest. I've not been intimidating or threatening to him in the slightest. For the record, I work in IT and don't exercise. He could be a brazilian jujitsu blackbelt for all I know. This is irrelevant of course.

Anyway, maybe you can tell me what this secret wireless trick of yours is? I've looked into wireless switches but I haven't found any which can send a signal based on a 230V mains circuit being switched on (i.e. when the boiler tries to turn on the pump circuit) to another remote receiver to turn on another 230V mains circuit. I have only see devices where you have to press a switch and then they will turn on a mains circuit, such as for a wireless lightswitch.

If you can show me how maybe I will do it myself but I don't think I'm legally allowed to take the cover off the boiler.

 

[Biggles..]

Just fit a pump over run timer (Baxi for example), simple
Fix.

 

[DavidSWP]

Would fitting a timed relay or pipe stat satisfy warranty?

If there is a permanent live available close to the boiler then it would satisfy the requirement for a pump over run if a relay with a delay off was used at the boiler.

Because it is not supplied by Vaillant/Glowworm it is unlikely that they would approve of it.

How their engineer would react is difficult to guess, but I would guess that few would realise that it does create the required pump over run. Consequently most would probably take the view that it is not installed in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.

Furthermore the frost protection feature of the boiler will only work when it has a permanent live supply.

Tony

Terry, Tony. Unfortunately I am not qualified to answer these questions. I would guess not but have no idea really.

 

[Corgigrouch]

It's a ******* that anyone could drop but when you do, you have to suck it up and fit the boiler correctly....Running a new cable can be a pain but not impossible.... One compromise could be to move the pump to where the boiler is (If that is acceptable) thereby removing the need to run a new cable..

 

[Terry lambert]

It's a **** that anyone could drop but when you do, you have to suck it up and fit the boiler correctly....Running a new cable can be a pain but not impossible.... One compromise could be to move the pump to where the boiler is (If that is acceptable) thereby removing the need to run a new cable..

Then lift the floors to run the cold feed and cent

 

[DavidSWP]

It's a **** that anyone could drop but when you do, you have to suck it up and fit the boiler correctly....Running a new cable can be a pain but not impossible.... One compromise could be to move the pump to where the boiler is (If that is acceptable) thereby removing the need to run a new cable..

I'm not sure. The pump is in a cabinet with a megaflo unvented cylinder and has 3 valves. I am not sure how they work together. Maybe an option but I couldn't say. I will just have to take the advice of the 2 professionals I have invited around to quote.

 

[Terry lambert]

If it's a sealed system then moving the pump may well be the answer

 

[Agile]

That is unlikely to be a suitable bodge even if the pipes could be modified.

The boiler needs a permanent live, a switch live call for heat and a wire from boiler to the pump so that it is controlled by the boiler!

Although very simple, they do require a number of cables or a clever wireless solution.

Tony

 

[Corgigrouch]

Tony, you are being very negative today... For all we know, the boiler may well have a permanent and switched live going to it... In which case all we need to do is move the pump and connect the boilers pump control...

 

[DavidSWP]

Tony, you are being very negative today... For all we know, the boiler may well have a permanent and switched live going to it... In which case all we need to do is move the pump and connect the boilers pump control...

I don't think it has, or at least he hasn't wired up the permanent live. I think that's the reason the water temperature screen is only on when there is a demand for heat.

 

[Corgigrouch]

Ah! Shazbatt!....That's another issue on top of the pump issue.

 

[Terry lambert]

Just how far has this cable got to be run.

Ie.,

Up to room above, across room, into hall, two meters along hall to airing cupboard.

Lots of furniture in room above ?

Carpets?

 

[Razor900]

I haven't got a clue what you're on about Tony, one of your posts seems to suggest pinching a permanent live from another circuit. Lets hope that everyone that works on it carries out dead checks eh?

Lee you're usually a stickler for the MI's fitting an overrun relay would still leave the install without warranty because the MI's state the boiler has to control the pump.

Bottom line is the installer screwed it up and if he's supposedly a Glow worm specialist he should know better. As far as I can see it's totally down to him

I'm curious about the £650 though. Is he proposing to refit your old boiler or leave a hole in the wall? To be fair it would almost certainly outlast the new one

 

[hossacd]

You can get 230v wireless switch devices from TLC, I have a set to turn on outside lights on an out building and they work well.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...eless switch&gclid=CJG7u5mpl8QCFfDKtAodG0IA2g

 

[DavidSWP]

Just how far has this cable got to be run.

Ie.,

Up to room above, across room, into hall, two meters along hall to airing cupboard.

Lots of furniture in room above ?

Carpets?

The boiler is on the ground floor at the back of an integrated garage at the left side of the house. It looks like existing pipework runs from the boiler across the width of the garage ceiling (2.5 meters) across the top of a stud wall above the living room which is behind the garage (not sure if the pipes are going diagonally or have a 90 degree bend to cross over) and then down a boxed in section just at the front of the living room. The cabinet with the pump in is directly below this. So that is one way if a cable can be coaxed through. The other way would be to run a cable from the boiler across the back wall of the garage then drill a hole and take it into the floor in the hallway outside, under the floorboards for about 1.5 meters then drill a hole down to a storage cupboard which is next to the pump cabinet and then trail it along the wall in there and drill a hole though to the pump cabinet.