Confused As Hell - Boilers

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So we have an outbuilding, which were about to start a project on converting into 2 rooms. I have had 3 local plumbers come and quote for the work, but Im really confused as the options and advice seems quite different for each;

For context, the building is around 11m x 4m total. The gas meter which supplies the house, is handily in the outbuilding. The boiler in the house is around 12-15 meters away.

Firstly....all plumbers ruled out connecting to the house boiler, due to frost line and the fact there s a few meters between the house and the outbuilding. Im happy with that and would prefer a seperate boiler in there to be honest;

Plumber one is suggesting to install a small 24Kw Combi boiler, and run 2 large rads in each room.

Plumber 2 has suggested installing a heat only boiler, not a combi, as he says a combi will be using more gas than needed. Hes also proposing two large rads in each room.

Plumber 3 has thrown a complete curve ball. He has also suggest 2 large ras in each room, but then goes on to say - "I’ve done the calculations and due to the size of the existing boiler and the distance away from the gas mater, if we add anything else on the gas carcass won’t be able to handle them all running at the same time. Would you be open to using lpg gas bottles to feed the new boiler? " He did take measurements and say he needed to go away and do some calculations, which he did before emailing, wheras plumber one and two didnt.

Obviously 3 completly conflicting ways of doing it. All 3 plumbers have good reviews and seem to have good reputations.

Just interested to hear any optinions here on what Ive been told, and who you would go with?
 
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Really depends on what the current gas supply and current draw is ... plumber 3 may be correct in suggesting that the current meter does not have the capacity to supply everything at one time and if he is then the other 2 are muppets for not considering that component.
 
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You might want to ask plumbers 1 and 2 about the adequacy of the gas supply. They may have ovelooked that and your question would prompt them to re-consider.
 
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What size is the other boiler?
And what size is the gas meter?
If the meter is in the outbuilding where the new boiler is going, then it sounds like pipework is accessible too, so carcassing between meter and tee off to new boiler can be upgraded to the correct size for required gas pressure and flow to the appliances.

Carcassing to the exiting boiler, from the Tee off should be of adequate size to meet regs.

Only things I can think of here is that meter isn't big enough or volume of gas is above domestic scope and needs commercial.
 
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Plumber 3 has thrown a complete curve ball. He has also suggest 2 large ras in each room, but then goes on to say - "I’ve done the calculations and due to the size of the existing boiler and the distance away from the gas mater, if we add anything else on the gas carcass won’t be able to handle them all running at the same time. Would you be open to using lpg gas bottles to feed the new boiler? " He did take measurements and say he needed to go away and do some calculations, which he did before emailing, wheras plumber one and two didnt.
That depends on the location of the tee-off to the new boiler. If it's close to the gas meter the supply to the existing boiler isn't affected, just need to size correctly the pipe to the new boiler. A typical gas meter is rated 6m3/h, giving over 60kW, so unless it's a big house that's unlikely to be the limiting factor.
 
Information required regards Existing boiler/ cooker /fires or any other gas appliances in the house.
 
Plumber 3 is giving the best advice. I'd be going forward with him to give you all your opinions.
 
The existing boiler is 30kw. The only other gas appliance is the 11kw cooker.

So that's 65kW total.
Pushing a 6m3/h meter.
So he's right to be doing some calcs.
Purge volume may also be an issue.
 
Two rads then no need to go for a 24kw combi. Go for as small a boiler as you can get either a 9 or 12kw . With what you already have and diversity factor your u6 meter should be OK. Increase size of initial gas pipe run to cope with everything being on and it will meet regs . Plumber 2 providing gas internal is correctly adjusted is giving you the best advice
 
We have to assume hot water requirement as why else a combi?
If heat only then a cylinder will be needed.
So, 24kW for the DHW supply perhaps?
 

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