That's the point. He's asked for advice in locating this fault. That was my one and only point.
As you imply, who knows - but, again, the OP hasn't asked about anything else.
I share your doubts, but one has to decide what the forum is about. A specific question has been asked. If BAS were awake, he'd produce a reading list, tell the OP he was not competent (or something ruder!) to be doing what he was doing (with a few mentions of the law, as well) and would not give an answer to the question. That's one approach. To not contribute to the thread at all is another approach. To attempt to answer the OP's question is another. I guess it is for each of us to decide what is right for ourselves!
Yes, I noticed, and was slightly surprised by the lack of any 'comment'
Yes, it is in a sense annoying, and maybe it would be appropriate for people to voice their annoyance - probably better than asking 'embarrassing questions'. The clock can't be turned back - so, in relation to this OP and this piece of work, the past cannot be changed.
Of course, but he (as so many other posters) didn't do/say that, so we have to decide how to deal with the situation we have in front of us.
You'll be relieved to know that I don't disagree. However, there are 'ways and ways' of doing this, and I think there are 'diplomatic' ways, better than asking 'embarrassing', almost sacastic , questions ('digs'), and certainly better (and much more diplomatic!) than the ways some of our friends here do it!! ... perhaps something along the lines of "You really should/should not have done XYZ (with reasons, as appropriate) but, in answer to your question, ..... ".On second thoughts, John, I have to disagree with these two posts ..... The reason being - this isn't 'Private Messaging' - Ask Doctor Electric This is a Forum - and lots of other people read the replies - so I think it's important to point out what someone has done wrong, as well as answering their question. And John, I should warn you, if you find a way to disagree with this, then you really will argue about anything.
Yes John, but in trying to be diplomatic your answer is often misinterpreted as in (I'm sorry Ms Merkel didn't you realise I meant we are considering (not) holding a referendum)?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. It was implicit in what the OP told us that he had not tested (at least not IR, very probably not anything) prior to the CU change, yet you asked him about the 'before' (in bold) test results (as well as 'and/or even after' tests). I suppose I reacted as I did because it niggles/annoys me when I see this 'technique' being used, quite commonly in this forum. Had you simply told the OP that he should have tested prior to the CU change, I would have said nothing.
I'm not sure what you think my 'attitude to testing' is. I certainly am not suggesting that testing should not be done, and never would, and nor would I do any work myself without testing. However, in the case we are discussing (as quite commonly), it is an unchangeable fact that 'before' testing was not undertaken - which is why I don't like the technique of asking for the 'before' results, which one knows don't exist. It's like the police officer looking at your car's seriously underinflated tyres and asking what the pressures were when you checked them prior to your journey (rather than asking why you didn't check them).
Well, there is a problem which needs to be solved and none of the standard tests on that circuit would aid that process. Whether or not the OP has the ability or knowledge to do this (or any of the work already done) is a different matter - and I'm surprised that this thread ran for a fair while before anyone raised that, other than by your (early) innuendo.
Again, if people had that view they should perhaps have said so, explicitly.
Yet again, if that's your view, you probably should express it. In some senses, you're obviously right, since the OP is having to ask for advice in relation to the identified fault, but I presume your comment is intended more generally in relation to the work that the OP has tackled (and how it's been tackled).
You did, indeed, as did others - and it surprised me a little to see those responses without any 'reservations' or criticisms about the work that had been done (and the implicit absence of pre-energisation testing, let alone notification). I personally resisted the temptation to respond to the OP's question, since I was in two minds about the pros and cons of advising someone in relation to work I did not feel they should be doing.
As I've said, I was moved to comment because I don't really like the 'language technique' which was used - which I suppose one could describe as condescending or patronising. As for the the OP's response, I would say that it was perfectly reasonable for someone who was focussed on the specific problem/question in hand. If a N-E fault had been detected, the results of any other 'standard tests', undertaken before or after the CU change, would not help in locating/elucidating the fault - so I would think that (in terms of person focussed on the specific fault about which questions had been asked) "irrelevant" is not an unreasonable way to spell "non-existant".
Yes, I think that's all probably true - but I have to say that I don't research the background of posters before responding to them (not that I have responded to the OP in this thread) - I simply take their posts/questions at face value. However, it is undoubtedly true that, quite apart from laws, regulations, knowledge and competence (to do the actual CU change), no-one (not even a 'qualified electrician') should be changing a CU if they do not feel confident that they can deal with any problems that the work might uncover or cause - hence my failure (as explained above) to respond to the OP's question.
That was also my interpretation - it seemed to me that 'the missus' would be far more likely to want an induction hob than an employer! However, others appear to have taken 'boss' more literally! ... not that this makes much difference to the issues being discussed.
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