Good news possibly?

[SirGalahad]

Both parties are playing politics whilst time is running out. Labour is simply sitting on the sidelines not committing because they have the benefit of not being in power. The tories are madly trying to bring both sides of the party together and failing hopelessly.

The fact is we are not being well represented. The only way in the current scenario to have any influence is to be a floating voter. I was Labour twice and tories twice and the current set have been pathetic so I will be voting labour.

If you guarantee your vote to any party then you are simply a mug. I know Notch is a die hard tory like many on here but if he thinks supporting them because he hates labour so much even if he doesn't like many of the tory policies goes to show he really is not exercising his vote to the fullest extent.

I will vote on policies not personalities. The cut everything approach by the tories hasn't worked out. I wonder how many on here would react if after quoting for some work the client turns around ans says i'd like you to do the job but I want 25% off. You would tell him where to stick it but unfortunately so many services in the UK have had to deal with that scenario. Look at the crisis in councils due to funding cuts.

 

[SirGalahad]

I agree, he’s a total ****. He sold Brexit to us rabid uneducated lot without really wanting it himself. He just had his eyes on the prize of being PM and used Brexit as his way to get it.

Not uneducated. But not been given the full information (the remain campaign was pants). The arguments for and against Brexit could easily be understood they simply were overawed by silly soundbites and cliches and in some cases lies.

 

[Ian H]

Councils waste though, they could easily save.

I’m voting labour next time, someone different needs a go.

 

[SirGalahad]

Councils waste though, they could easily save.

I’m voting labour next time, someone different needs a go.

I don't disagree councils can tighten their belts. But cutting funding by about 25% won't mean they become more efficient they will simply cut services. making councils more efficient is really more a management issue. So I do now know if there is a body that monitors the spending of councils -if not that would be a good place to start.

 

[ellal]

So I do now know if there is a body that monitors the spending of councils -if not that would be a good place to start.

I assume you meant 'do not know'?

The National Audit Office.

Although it's essentially a 'jobs for the boys' organisation, so never expect too much from it!

 

[SirGalahad]

I assume you meant 'do not know'?

The National Audit Office.

Although it's essentially a 'jobs for the boys' organisation, so never expect too much from it!

I know of the NAO but do they oversee Council Spending?

 

[Yafo]

The only way in the current scenario to have any influence is to be a floating voter.

If you guarantee your vote to any party then you are simply a mug..

Floating voters are so often ridiculed for changing sides, but in reality they are the people who actually make the change, by swinging seats from 1 party to the other.

There is NO reason why you should vote for any party, simply because you always have, or your Dad did, so you do. It is a sign of lack of thinking.

If you vote differently to me because of your belief in a different way, fair enough. But just because you always do is, just reckless. A bit like our current governments approach

 

[EFLImpudence]

That's true, but what is a floating voter? One with no principles or beliefs.

For example, a true-blue Tory isn't going to vote Labour because May is making a hash of it.
A staunch socialist isn't going to vote Conservative whatever Labour do.
The only exception is a truly decent local candidate of any political persuasion.


So the Governing of the country is decided by those who don't really care or know.

It may be lauded as the panacea for all trouble spots in the world but democracy really is a daft idea.

If things continue as lately, Trump, brexit etc. something will be done about the voters voting.

 

[Yafo]

That's true, but what is a floating voter? One with no principles or beliefs.

For example, a true-blue Tory isn't going to vote Labour because May is making a hash of it.
A staunch socialist isn't going to vote Conservative whatever Labour do.
The only exception is a truly decent local candidate of any political persuasion.


So the Governing of the country is decided by those who don't really care or know.

It may be lauded as the panacea for all trouble spots in the world but democracy really is a daft idea.

If things continue as lately, Trump, brexit etc. something will be done about the voters voting.

No principles or beliefs ? Or 1 who chooses the party that has more of the policies and ideas they believe and want ?

But I agree, too many people will never even challenge their own ingrained habit, not thoughts

 

[EFLImpudence]

No principles or beliefs ? Or 1 who chooses the party that has more of the policies and ideas they believe and want ?

Well, if they do that then they are not going to be floating, are they?
Unless of course, for some reason, they think that is conservatism this time and socialism next time

But I agree, too many people will never even challenge their own ingrained habit, not thoughts

If those ingrained thoughts are peasants voting for their Lord and Master then it just emphasises my point about democracy and why it is allowed, doesn't it.

Although, again, not really what was being discussed - floating voters in a few marginals making the difference.

 

[Notch7]

Both parties are playing politics whilst time is running out. Labour is simply sitting on the sidelines not committing because they have the benefit of not being in power. The tories are madly trying to bring both sides of the party together and failing hopelessly

Unfortunately, that is what is happening.

Although I suppose it is the shortcoming of a having democratically elected governments. There are always hidden agendas, because politicians want to win elections to gain or retain power. Political gamesmanship to win votes is often different to doing what is best for the country.

Nobody wants to have to take over from Theresa May at the moment, everybody will be fighting for PM after a deal is done.

 

[Notch7]

No principles or beliefs ? Or 1 who chooses the party that has more of the policies and ideas they believe and want ?

But I agree, too many people will never even challenge their own ingrained habit, not thoughts

I dont think many people in this country have much political knowledge or interest, so will vote the same way they have always done.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I dont think many people in this country have much political knowledge or interest,

Oh dear.

Have we forgotten "everyone knew what they were doing in the referendum"?

 

[ellal]

Oh dear.

Have we forgotten "everyone knew what they were doing in the referendum"?

That's what the quitters told us...

Funny how that 'assertion' is slowly and conveniently being back tracked upon!

 

[Notch7]

Oh dear.

Have we forgotten "everyone knew what they were doing in the referendum"?

Im not sure the EU referendum choice had much to do with UK party politics.