ID cards, are you scared?

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I received the following information in an email. I have no idea how accurate it is but it does at least sound quite plausible.

Tony

""""You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed a crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards are not something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for our Passport and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different to that. What you have not been told is the full scope of this proposed ID Card, and what it will mean to you personally.

The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It will be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity Register), where all of your personal details will be stored. This will include the unique number that will be issued to you, your fingerprints, a scan of the back of your eye, and your photograph. Your name, address and date of birth will also obviously be stored there.

There will be spaces on this database for your religion, residence status, and many other private and personal facts about you. There is unlimited space for every other details of your life on the NIR database, which can be expanded by the Government with or without further Acts of Parliament.

By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you would be wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used to check your identity against your entry in the register in real time, whenever you present it to 'prove who you are'.

Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much like the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your card can be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a record is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was presented. This means for example, that there will be a government record of every time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of NatWest, who now demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have to prove that you are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record made at the NIR. Restaurants and off licenses will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.

Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a swipe. If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card, or a supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to present your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a telephone line or a mobile phone or an internet account.

Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just as every other business will be. This means that each of these entities will be able to store your unique number in their database, and place all your travel, phone records, driving activities and detailed shopping habits under your unique NIR number. These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the size of your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or illegally. It will then be possible for a non-governmental entity to create a detailed dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government will have clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will have a complete record of all your movements, from how much and when you withdraw from your bank account to what medications you are taking, down to the level of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a single unique number in a Central database.

This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your name and face.

Most people do not know that this is the true character and scope of the proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will work are explained to them, they quickly change from being ambivalent towards it.

The Government is going to COMPEL you to enter your details into the NIR and to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain or renew your passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints taken and your eyes scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued to you whether you want one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted and eye scanned, you will not be able to get a passport. Your ID Card will, just like your passport, not be your property. The Home Secretary will have the right to revoke or suspend your ID at any time, meaning that you will not be able to withdraw money from your Bank Account, for example, or do anything that requires you to present your government issued ID Card.

The arguments that have been put forwarded in favour of ID Cards can be easily disproved. ID Cards WILL NOT stop terrorists; every Spaniard has a compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers. ID Cards will not 'eliminate benefit fraud', which in comparison, is small compared to the astronomical cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions according to the LSE (London School of Economics). This scheme exists solely to exert total surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen, and it will line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer systems at the expense of your freedom, privacy and money.

If you did not know the full scope of the proposed ID Card Scheme before and you are as unsettled as I am at what it really means to you, to this country and its way of life, I urge you to email or photocopy this and give it to your friends and colleagues and everyone else you think should know and who cares. The Bill has proceeded to this stage due to the lack of accurate and complete information on this proposal being made public."""
 
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Some of the things being said are scaremongering but unfortunately many are also true.

Kind of makes a mockery of democracy though, just like Iraq, just like the EU and just like all the foreigners coming over here, we have had no say whatsoever.

Has anyone heard any politician, of any party, say they wouldn't go ahead with this assault on our private lives?
 
Kind of an aside, but on your picture driving licence, there is a barcode on the back.

When you get your driving licence, the accompanying Q&A sheet says that this barcode is just a tracking thing for when it goes through their manufacturing plant (for want of a better word) and contains no identifying data.

Now, I once paid by credit card for something in Sweden and was asked for photo ID, so I showed my driving licence. The shop assistant then turned it over and scanned the barcode, and the machine accepted it.

What't that all about then ?
 
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paulbrown said:
johnny-t wrote,
What't that all about then
Big brother mate, and he doesn't tell the truth either.

big brother Big Tony more Like

Labourite my arse this prat is more right wing than maggie ever dared be

vote him out
 
corgiman said:
vote him out

Unfortunately we're never going to be given the chance. He ain't standing again and he don't give a sh*t what we think.......
 
Agile said:
...are you scared?
No. What is there to be scared of?

Do you also feel guilty when you see a police car?
 
This bit is made up to frighten you:

Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much like the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your card can be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a record is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was presented. This means for example, that there will be a government record of every time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of NatWest, who now demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have to prove that you are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record made at the NIR. Restaurants and off licenses will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.
 
This bit is made up, except for the driving licence.

Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a swipe. If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card, or a supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to present your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a telephone line or a mobile phone or an internet account.
 
This bit is made up, except for DVLA, who will not be given access to, for example, your religion or bank info (if they were to be held, which they aren't)

Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just as every other business will be.
 
This bit is true, except for the "all." S/be "certain goverment agencies" and "some of them"

the government will have clandestine access to all of them
 
Softus said:
Agile said:
...are you scared?
No. What is there to be scared of?

Do you also feel guilty when you see a police car?

Just because YOU'RE not paranoid, doesn't mean they are not coming to get you.
 
JohnD said:
This bit is made up to frighten you:
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some not very frightening things
So how come I'm still not scared? Am I just stupid? Or just honest with nothing to fear...
 
So it's obviously a bit of fictitious black propaganda made up by someone with an axe to grind. pity really because I'm not keen on the ID cards bit wouldn't stooop to making up lies about it.

He'll be publishing "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" next!
 
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