Gentlemen, please!
Don't be ridiculous. This is not a documentary, it's an advice forum.Your argument comes down to "because I pointed out a scenario where statement might not be true, I must be advocating the actions in that scenario". By that argument, if a (say) documentary was done on how a (say) robbery was committed and the perpetrators got away - which is a staple of some type of TV program - then the documentary maker is advocating that people go out and copy the robbery.
FFS.And as I've explained, I have not advocating any of those.
No I did not. I have explained several times that I have not, yet you persist in refusing to see the difference between an example demonstrating that a statement is incorrect or incomplete, and advice to perform an act. The bit you keep quoting as "proof" of my criminal intent was a direct response pointing out your erroneous "absolute assertion".You advised him ... and that if that should cause him problems when he came to sell the property then he could try to get round them by obfuscation, evasion, omission and misdirection in his replies to questions ...
This is you telling the OP that he could just break the law and carry on without getting the necessary approvals.But as suggested, you could just crack on and see if anyone notices !
I should point out that I was assuming that the OP would be truthful about what he had done when, and what approvals he had sought when, and what completions certificates he had.You think ? I disagree.They will notice when the house is sold
And this is you explaining how the OP could try to get away with not having done it properly by obfuscation, evasion, omission and misdirection in his replies to questions.<some years> down the line it goes for sale, solicitor gives you one of those forms that asks loads of silly questions - I think we've more or less agreed that the one about electrics since 2005 is getting worthless. You truthfully answer that you've build the garden "shed" and show them papers relating to planning and building control. I think it's very very very very unlikely that anyone will give them more than a second glance - "yes there's paperwork for that building", ie the solicitor will see that you have stated that you added a building, yes you had planning permission, yes you have a completion certificate for it, all boxes ticked.
You didn't install the loo and sink at the same time, the paperwork won't show that. But no-one has lied - the form asked if there had been any building work, you tell them that you built this shed with services in it. The only time it becomes a lie to not mention the loo and sink is if you didn't do it at more or less the same time in which case to remain honest you would need to declare it separately - at which point the paper trail isn't there.
But if you say that "in 2014 we added the garden shed", and in 2014 you put the loo in it, then there's been no lie - they asked a question and you answered it. Word your BC notification carefully "construction of garden building with relevant services" and it'll be impossible to tell. It'll need electrics and surface drainage, so "relevant services" and you'll have a completion certificate for it.
Let's hope that if they do, they take no notice of it.I thought I would post for future reference; for anyone who is Googling and happens to stubble upon this post.
Wrong.WHAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD WITHOUT PLANNING PERMISSION AND/OR BUILDING REGULATIONS:
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- A building bigger than 15 square metres; whatever it is made out of (wood, brick)
Without PP? Not necessarily.WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD WITHOUT PERMISSION:
1) You are allowed to build up to 15 square metres
I think you'll find 4x4=16, not 15.which is either 5 metres by 3 metres or 4 metres by 4 metres (can have other variations but these two examples are the most common).
It might do.2) The total height of the outbuilding must be no taller than 2.5 metres; this does not include a pitched roof.
Not necessarily.3) The building has to be 1 metre from any fences, any other buildings etc. all the way around.
Not necessarily.5) You are allowed to use 50% of your garden for buildings
Not necessarily.- if you already have extensions on the back of your house, this counts as your garden space.
You don't really understand this thing called "area", do you.I have a 3 metre by 3 metre kitchen extension already, which makes the length of my garden 20 metres from the kitchen extensions exterior wall, this means I am only allowed to use 11.5 metres in length of my garden and I have already used 3 metres; therefore I have 8.5 metres left in length to use for any buildings in the garden,
Where did 1m come from?I can have as many as I like providing that they are 1 metre from each other.
You might need either or both.---> So the conclusion is, you do not need Planning Permission or Building Regualtions
You might need plans for a PP or BR submission.and you do not need an architect to draw up the plans for a builder.
You want a workshop. The rubbish they sell in Argos etc will be no good.You might actually find depending on the size of your shed and where you buy from, Argos, Littlewoods
From sources like that they'll all be sorted and cleaned, will they? I doubt it.you can find/or request reusable bricks on Gumtree, eBay and Free Cycle for next to nothing or completely free
PP for a toilet? No.If you wanted to turn your shed/workshop into commercial (business) and/or domestic (sleeping accommodation, a guest house) or simply add a toilet for example, you will need to apply for Planning Permission
1) That wording is nonsensical.your floor must be thick enough to keep people warm for example or damp and/or mold.
Not "may", "will". And it has nothing to do with the BCO being happy, or not, with the original building.Building Regulation may be needed if the building inspector is not happy with the existing building.
You don't need PP for a peepee.If you are intending to have a toilet, you would have to make sure you build plumbing into your project, but not actually install a toilet for example. It would not be worth including all the pipework, just the minimal that needs to be installed in the ground or walls; especially if you have to run the pipework up the garden, this is expensive and risky of wasting time and money if your Planning Permission; Change of Use is rejected.
Where did you find all this nonsense, and why have you pasted it in here?Apparently, the architects I spoke with agreed that if a building already existed in the garden, which could just be a brick shell built to the standard of what you would expect of an extension, but with no doors or windows; was more likely to be accepted Planning Permission into a guest house.
Installing PVC windows into your shed would suggest you built it for the purpose of a guest house without Planning Permission or Building Regulation. They could even question why you have no windows or doors installed - I was advised to try and get some second hand external doors and board the window hole up, explain that it was broken and unsafe.
PVC windows are compulsory are they? Wood or metal not allowed?All you would need to do in order to make it into a guest house is PVC windows,
And as I said, it's "will", not "may" and has nothing to do with whether Building Control are "happy" with the building.installation, radiator, plasterboard, plaster, decoration; skirting, laminate flooring/carpet, magnolia paint, but as I have said "Building Regulation may be needed if the building inspector is not happy with the existing building."
By the way, I have no intention of turning into a guest house, although I could rent the space out as a studio for small groups; mother and toddler, children's birthday parties, photography, yoga, mediation, art groups, discussion groups, counselling, teaching, the list is endless and could slightly boost your income (just don't forget to declare it and register it as a commercial business)
Wrong.you do not need to dig down if you are building a wooden shed
Good luck with that.this quote does not include deposing the dirt as I would like to keep it for raised flowerbeds in the future.
Don't advertise it as topsoil though - people will be upset if they take it to use for growing things, and find it's no good.My advice is to keep it, and then advise it on Gumtree, eBay and Free Cycle for free if collected.
Whereabouts on the Planning Portal does it have all that b*ll*cks about converting existing brick built shells which just happen to have been built to the standards for habitable accommodation?I have spoken to some local architects (some with building companies attached to their companies in Birmingham) that have done "garden offices" and "workshop" projects, all said similar advice. I also checked out Planning Portal . gov . uk[/b]
Wrong.You can add electric and running water for a sink (workshop purposes) without permission
Wrong.Do not install a radiator as it will be classed as a separate dwelling without Planning Permission/Building Regulation.
Not wishing to go into too much detail..
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