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[Notch7]

So even allowing for wage growth/inflation I was actually over estimating the average EU contribution

The pie chart you show doesnt state it is average wage or average tax contribution.

It says its an example showing a person earning £23,000 pa

 

[EFLImpudence]

As for the contribution to the EU, its probably better just to say the figure (10b or 8bn, whatever) divided by the total population.
After all, income tax is not the only tax.
£10bn / 65m = £153

 

[Notch7]

All the other examples you mention go into the general UK taxation pot - for usage in the UK

General UK taxation pot.

Well where do you think the EU club membership is paid out from.

There are no hypothecated taxes in the UK, so how can you say where they get spent.

 

[EFLImpudence]

There are no hypothecated taxes in the UK, so how can you say where they get spent.

The notes have numbers on them and I assumed coins had a chip in them.

 

[ellal]

As for the contribution to the EU, its probably better just to say the figure (10b or 8bn, whatever) divided by the total population.
After all, income tax is not the only tax.
£10bn / 65m = £153

So how much does the UK person relying on benefits contribute to the EU?

And how much does the UK millionaire contribute to the EU?

How much should we expect those not working to contribute to the EU?

If we took this approach to every part of public/social spending then we'd go down the route of the USA...
All for the 1% and divide and rule for the rest.
(oops, that's where we're going!)

The average contribution is the best way to describe the cost to the average wage earner in this country...

Any other statistic ought to be painted on the side of a big red bus

 

[Notch7]

However it appears you have a problem with 'where your taxes go'..

That is where you are not understanding.

Direct tax is not the only form of tax.

Your pie chart shows only the portion of direct taxes that go towards EU contribution.

Heres an example:
A retired person, that doesnt appear in your chart, goes and fills up his car with fuel, then goes to a shop and buys a £1200 TV. He has just paid out 2 taxes, neither of which are included in your pie chart.

 

[ellal]

That is where you are not understanding.

What you continually seem to (obviously deliberately) miss is that the average taxpayer spends far less on the EU than claimed...

Heres an example:
A retired person, that doesnt appear in your chart, goes and fills up his car with fuel, then goes to a shop and buys a £1200 TV. He has just paid out 2 taxes, neither of which are included in your pie chart.

Do we include a baby that pays no taxes in the 'average' EU contribution figures?

Because many seem to think that contribution to the EU divided by population is an acceptable way of calculating these figures...

 

[EFLImpudence]

So how much does the UK person relying on benefits contribute to the EU?

Why are you asking such a silly question?

And how much does the UK millionaire contribute to the EU?

Probably more than the average of 153. That's the nature of averages.

How much should we expect those not working to contribute to the EU?

Probably less than the average of 153. That's the nature of averages.
Might they perhaps pay VAT on things they buy so impossible to say.

If we took this approach to every part of public/social spending then we'd go down the route of the USA...
All for the 1% and divide and rule for the rest.
(oops, that's where we're going!)

You might be right but what has that got to do with anything I have written?

The average contribution is the best way to describe the cost to the average wage earner in this country...

Feel free to divide the 10 or 8 bn by the number of wage earners.
How would that be different with regard to the questions that you have just asked?

Any other statistic ought to be painted on the side of a big red bus

What is wrong with the 153 average of every person in the population?



I think you are losing it. Perhaps you have been reading too much on GD.

Your post could have said something like "I disagree. I think it would be more relevant to {do this or that} because of {a valid reason} {with figures to show the difference}".

Instead you have adopted the JohnD technique of just asking snide questions instead of actually discussing anything.

 

[motorbiking]

I used UK nationals in work. Its a stupid measure which ever way you look at it, but its a lot more than £80. We have all sorts of "costs" if you look at everything we have to do, that is not in our national interests, but that costs us money, be it an inability to have tax breaks for innovations/businesses we want, police policies we don't want or having to educate and care for those who come here for access to better services. The same applies to other EU countries too. Any country that has to do something it doesn't want has a cost.

 

[Notch7]

What you continually seem to (obviously deliberately) miss is that the average taxpayer spends far less on the EU than claimed...

No, you claim that the average tax payer only pays £80, which is misleading since the average tax payer pays far more tax than direct tax and therefore the EU contribution is far higher.

Otherwise where do you think the rest comes from?

Because many seem to think that contribution to the EU divided by population is an acceptable way of calculating these figures..

Well at least that method accounts for the £10b, not the £1b your method calculates.