Italia threatening the EU

[vinty]

Can you tell me the cost of a hard border. Time wasted in getting customs docs in order.

What about effect on services.

What exactly is meant by a hard border.

 

[JohnD]

Lots of other countries

please give us an example so we can see if they have a trade agreement. Do you consider "queuing up to have your papers checked and your cargo inspected by customs, and to pay import duties" to be "problem?"

 

[vinty]

Doesn't Canada have tarrif free access to the EU along with Mexico and other countries.

 

[noseall]

The Irish don't want one

No but the Quitters are forcing it upon them. Remoaners certainly don't want one.

 

[SirGalahad]

A hard border will only cost money if someone installs the expensive infrastructure. Its only the EU seeking a hard border. The Irish don't want one but are under pressure from Brussels to insist on it.

I just give up at the total lack of understanding. So after accusing the EU having soft border (not true) then when fhey insist on a hard Border you complain.

I suggest you look at the Ukraine / Poland border or the 250 checkpoints in Switzerland.

 

[SirGalahad]

No but the Quitters are forcing it upon them. Remoaners certainly don't want one.

Quitters don't live in the real world, this is mass psychosis.

 

[SirGalahad]

What exactly is meant by a hard border.

If we become a third country like say Ukraine.

You don't want to be in the EU then accept full manned checkpoints and hard border as a third country. Its not a technical solution its a legal issue.

 

[JohnD]

Lots of other countries outside the EU don't have any problem getting their goods across EU borders.

Doesn't Canada have tarrif free access to the EU along with Mexico and other countries.

Thank you for your examples.

Both those countries have recently signed trade agreements with the EU, which make the movement of goods across borders much easier.

The UK has recently decided to throw away its agreements, which makes everything much harder.

 

[vinty]

Then the UK can do the same, the present arrangement means the UK has to accept freedom of movement and the jurisdiction of the European court.
If the UK had the same deal as Canada then they could have tarrif free access to Europe without having to accept all the political strings that are attached to membership of the EU.

 

[JohnD]

What do you think Canada's treaty says?

How long do you think it took to negotiate it?

 

[JohnD]

https://www.ft.com/content/c5b1901e-e5be-11e8-8a85-04b8afea6ea3

"The official strategy now is to is rely on weariness, conditioning and frustration to create a sense of inevitability around whatever can be agreed, if it can be agreed, with the EU27. Mrs May hopes to carry a deal over the parliamentary line by relying on the “let’s just get it done” factor and by promoting fears among potential rebels on the Tory side that the chaos of rejection would usher in a hard-left Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn."

Which is it to be ? Brino or disastrous no-deal?