Missing Girl In Portugal

[ellal]

Since it appears OK for some to 'stray' off topic..

My point being that in the rush to prove that we are not 'inhibited' some commonsense things go out the window.

Rubbish...kids don't know what 'inhibited' is , and to them running around a beach naked is nothing but natural to them - they have enough pressures to rob them of their childhood, so don't add the current 'bogeyman' to the list! If an adult has a problem with that, then it is THEIR problem!

Of course Masona is right - you can just 'sense' the wrong 'uns. Paedos, rapists, psychopaths et al do not have their proclivities tattooed on their
foreheads and you can't complain about people without proof. My husband, who is extremely observant - just as well as I am singularly lacking in that department - has on numerous occasions drawn my attention to someone and said 'He/she is a funny-bunny'. I have been surprised as they looked normal to me at the time, but almost without exception they have turned up in the local paper sooner or later having done something weird or slowly but surely got madder looking by the week (like they have been turned out of some institution and are not taking their tablets).

Blimey, it must be really 'dodgy' where you live...!

According to the police, dangerous 'pervs' are more than often extremely clever and devious...what you are describing are indeed probably people with mental health problems but not particularly targetting kids!..

Don't lump together people with different problems.. innuendo, heresay and 'sensing a wrong un' lead to many an innocent person being falsly accused and targetted!

It is true that people have got paranoid - but it is due to the world we now inhabit

I'm not 'paranoid' (take note softus.. ), because I can differentiate the real danger from the perceived one. How many times this year have we heard of a case such as this. Of course one is too many, but we can never eliminate 100% any danger of any sort.

Personally I'm more worried about whether a parent knows how to correctly fit a child seat in their car than whether my kids are at risk running around naked on our beach....

and your assumption about having male children, in my case at least, is wrong..and although I'm a 'male poster', I can assure you that my wife thinks exactly the same...

 

[Richardp]

I'm lost Masona is a good bloke and has my respect, like me, he's probably wondering what your on about

 

[Thermo]

Stultz,
In answer to your question i was a police officer. In answer to your other question, in many cases yes the offender is known to the victim. In fact the vast majority of child abuse/murders turn out to be that. Thye happen day in day out but they dont make the headlines in the same way as a stranger case does. You wouldnt belive the amount of reports that used to sit on the systems that were dealt with by child protection officers where the child had suffered at the hands of the father/brother/uncle/mothers boyfriend etc.

Are there more around than ever? No i dont think so, i think the media have made cases more high profile and that has grabbed attention, as has the papers whipping up hysteria as well ie news of the world etc. You only have to look at the thirst for 24 hour news and the additional pressure that put police under and the intrest it creates. Every little twist and turn is analysed, and if no progress is publicly made then its seen as a failure within a day or two. i think the media are finding this one hard as the portugese arent used to this and arent playing along with them. it doesnt mean theyre incompetant though.

There are always clever criminals out there, the odd one or two who will go to great lengths, however the majority are mr or mrs average. the same is true with peadophiles etc. I also worked on a lot of the raids for operation orb, the child computer porn. i saw all sorts of things that to be honest i dont even want to think about. they were all sorts of people, male and female, husband and wife, the bible bashing recluse, people in positions of trust, down to the text book image of wierdo perv. Most made little or no attempt to cover what they did, or if they did they did it badly.

i have an open mind with regards this missing girl, nothing surprises me anymore, but ive tried not to get too involved in the coverage of it, i find it brings back too many bad memories and most of the stuff is pure speculation anyway and does little but feed peoples insatiable appetite for rumour. I just wish to god the poor child is ok

 

[Softus]

One last point regarding the missing child. If the bizarre theory going around is true (and I agree that things are rarely what they seem) then wouldn't it have been much, much safer for two medics, with appropriate connivance from sympathisers, to arrange a heart-attack or something ?

Simpler for someone in a rational state of mind, but it's easy to forget that very few people who plan some skulduggery are actually any good at the planning - you have to be a bit off kilter in the first place.

Cheers, boys. Off to remove my whalebone corset and support stockings.

Um, ok, yeah can I get a video of that please?

 

[Belrose]

Ellal wrote:

1) 'since it appears ok for some to stray off topic....'

I apologized for this and craved indulgence.

2) 'kids don't know what inhibited is...'

Of course they don't - read what I said again.

3) 'it must be really dodgy where you live....'

UK stockbroker belt actually - you will no doubt have an opinion on that.

4) probably people with mental health problems but not necessarily
targeting kids'

I never suggested they were. Again I refer you to the context of the post.

5) 'Sensing a wrong 'un......'

Which is precisely what I said. Refer to the post.

6) 'And your assumption about having male children....'

The fact that you have female children in no way negates what I said.

Perhaps a nice beer and a sit-down will calm you !


This is not intended to be a slanging match. I completely accept that it is down to the specific parents as to how they should cope with their children's upbringing. I am merely postulating the view (as Softus might say) that it is better to be safe than sorry when guarding one's most precious charges. (I purposely didn't say 'possessions as I would probably be told that 'children are not possessions'.

If you ever enter the real world, Ellal, you will be welcome. No hard feelings, I hope.

Annabel

 

[RF Lighting]

I have to agree with Masona. I would feel uncomfortable in the prescence of naked children, purely for the reason that if I am not in this situation, then there can be no accusation of any untoward behaviour having taken place.

I don't know whether I have this 'hangup' because I do not have any children of my own, and therefor this is not a situation I have ever found my self in before.

I hope this comes across as it is intended, but I have found it incredibly difficut to select the right words to use, and have re-written this post three times now...

 

[ricicle]

It is because of the world we live in now that people feel they maybe have to feel uncomfortable in the presence of naked children.
I have 2 young daughters myself (3 and 5) and it does make you wonder wether you should make them cover up on a beach etc to avoid the situation of embarrassment arising.

Although with todays knowledge of the so - called harmful effects of excess sun they are normally almost fully covered in UV suits

 

[Belrose]

To Richard P:

Refer back to my posts and you will see that I completely support Masona - a straightforward good bloke who isn't concerned about whether he is 'trendy' or 'PC'.

Cue another spate of abuse......

Annabel

 

[ellal]

If you ever enter the real world, Ellal, you will be welcome. No hard feelings, I hope.

Annabel

Funnily enough I'm actually the one in the real world...you (like so many others) seem to have swallowed the whole 'politics of fear' line!..

my children are no more at risk from this type of crime than they would have been 10, 20, 30 or however many years back you wish to go...

what they are at risk of however is having to cope with life in a 'protective bubble' erected by people like yourself who have no concept of the fact that life itself is a series of risks!....and also having no concept of the fact that more reporting of a crime doesn't actually mean that the likelihood of that crime is now greater than it was before!

Perhaps a nice beer and a sit-down will calm you !

Don't bother with the cr*p platitudes...

 

[Belrose]

Thank you, ellal. Have a good night !
Annabel

PS Needn't expect a Christmas Card from you then ??

 

[ellal]

Thank you, ellal. Have a good night !
Annabel

PS Needn't expect a Christmas Card from you then ??

substantial reply there then...what was that about the 'real world'?

 

[Richardp]

To Richard P:

Refer back to my posts and you will see that I completely support Masona - a straightforward good bloke who isn't concerned about whether he is 'trendy' or 'PC'.

Cue another spate of abuse......

Annabel

No! I wasnt having a go,I was simply reading back through the posts and couldnt see why we are all getting so teasy! but I'm abit slow and will probably get the drift in a week or two!!

 

[Belrose]

Sorry, Richard, I wasn't implying that the 'abuse' would be coming from you !

Anyway, we are all adults and entitled to our views and a 'slanging match' is of no help to anyone so hopefully we can go back to sharing news of the Madeleine case.

 

[Richardp]

no probs!

 

[tim west]

Shame when societies rules have made innocent people think they may be thought upon as paedo's if they happen to glance at a naked child on a beach, What's happened to the days when you could look at a child playing and enjoy the fun of the situation rather than have looking at them classed as anything sexual. As ellal infers there are too many assumptions made too easily these days.