Peripheral neuropathy
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Sorry Dave, is Laddies a scottish term term for blokes, or is there an extra d in there.
I'm aiming for Dignitas on my 75th as well, and that's no joke. I have enough painkillers to do the job myself if things the brain starts to go, and I'll treat myself to a seriously expensive bottle of booze to help the job along. Unfortunately, our bodies fail, but our mind doesn't, so if Nosealls able to live life to the full, then I'll wish him the best.
I'm aiming for Dignitas on my 75th as well, and that's no joke. I have enough painkillers to do the job myself if things the brain starts to go, and I'll treat myself to a seriously expensive bottle of booze to help the job along. Unfortunately, our bodies fail, but our mind doesn't, so if Nosealls able to live life to the full, then I'll wish him the best.
Dave the NHS can test for the B12, no need to go private for just that. They just don't offer anything remotely extensive.
If you want a nutrition test it's usually via a urine test - but this requires paying a private lab and having the direction of a nutritionist.
I suppose a homeopathist as suggested might help but I'm not exactly sure how someone can make an accurate enough assessment and provide medicine without quantitive data. I don't trust anyone to get it right completely, but there is confidence to be gained when a practitioner uses hard data to treat your symptoms. Total waste of time taking a supplement for low levels of a vitamin when it turns out you don't have a deficit in the first place. Millions of people every year are self-treating in such a way because of things they read or hear about. Many of them have no option because they are not getting the help they need from the formal channels.
Also the NHS is not completely useless, if good for nothing else they are usually pretty good at diagnosing disease even if they are useless at treating it. A GP can run basic blood panels and check for things like D3, Iron, B12.
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I don't know anything about it really, but
I have had a look and B12 is in lots of nice foods.
How can anyone be deficient in it?
I have had a look and B12 is in lots of nice foods.
How can anyone be deficient in it?
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Depends on who you believe about what the proper RDA is.
There's also been a shift in general consensus in the last 5 years with veganism becoming more popular and one of the key attack points the animal and dairy indsutry like to use is the vegan diet not having enough b12 arguement. It's a myth they like to perpetuate to help keep people eating animal protein.
B12 is created from bacteria in the earth which grazing animals then eat, and when we eat them we have a nice dose of B12.
The reality is you can still get plenty of B12 on a vegan diet via fermented foods. By fermenting your own foods you can actually make your own source of B12, which is what many vegans do. The bacteria that break down the food anaerobically (without oxygen) work inside a fermenting jar to produce B12. I'm not vegan, just felt like pointing that out. Usually when you hear a lot about one particular 'thing' that 'they' say is important for good health, it's usually political.
Also, think I read somewhere that intensively farmed animals don't get B12 in their diet because they are kept in cages all day long and never allowed out to graze, which is why (if I remember correctly) some intesive farms took on the practice of fortifying their animal feed with B12, or buying B12 fortified feed. In short it's too many people eating too much processed nutrient deficient meat, and not eating enough organic fruit and veg, which might also be a contributing factor in their B12 deficiency - if they have one at all that is.
There's also been a shift in general consensus in the last 5 years with veganism becoming more popular and one of the key attack points the animal and dairy indsutry like to use is the vegan diet not having enough b12 arguement. It's a myth they like to perpetuate to help keep people eating animal protein.
B12 is created from bacteria in the earth which grazing animals then eat, and when we eat them we have a nice dose of B12.
The reality is you can still get plenty of B12 on a vegan diet via fermented foods. By fermenting your own foods you can actually make your own source of B12, which is what many vegans do. The bacteria that break down the food anaerobically (without oxygen) work inside a fermenting jar to produce B12. I'm not vegan, just felt like pointing that out. Usually when you hear a lot about one particular 'thing' that 'they' say is important for good health, it's usually political.
Also, think I read somewhere that intensively farmed animals don't get B12 in their diet because they are kept in cages all day long and never allowed out to graze, which is why (if I remember correctly) some intesive farms took on the practice of fortifying their animal feed with B12, or buying B12 fortified feed. In short it's too many people eating too much processed nutrient deficient meat, and not eating enough organic fruit and veg, which might also be a contributing factor in their B12 deficiency - if they have one at all that is.
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The B vitamins are the ones that are associated with nerve problems, and although it's in a lot of foods, you can pretty much assume that Daves on a fun diet rather than a well balanced one. Homeopathy is a little like chinese medicine, where they treat the body, not the symptoms, so quantative data isn't necessary, but you need a good practitioner to ask the right questions, and you have to be very open about the answers you give, otherwise you can throw the diagnoisis off. I've been to good and bad doctors, and good and bad homeopathists, but I've never tried chinese medicine yet. I'm a pectarian, with a penchant for sweet things, and a lazy diet that doesn't always get the greens I need, so I take a good quality vitamin suplement as a bit of an insurance policy, and I'm aware of the difference in quality (and price) between the good and bad ones.
But if Daves okay when he moves, but has the problem when he sits, then it's unlikely to be vitamin deficiency, and more likely to be circulatory in nature; and I'd rule out GBS due to it reaching peak in about 3 weeks, and I reckon daves had it a lot longer than that. If you've not got any stomach issues, then taking half an asprin a day for a week or so to see if things improve would be an easy test, but not for any longer without medical supervison.
But if Daves okay when he moves, but has the problem when he sits, then it's unlikely to be vitamin deficiency, and more likely to be circulatory in nature; and I'd rule out GBS due to it reaching peak in about 3 weeks, and I reckon daves had it a lot longer than that. If you've not got any stomach issues, then taking half an asprin a day for a week or so to see if things improve would be an easy test, but not for any longer without medical supervison.
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What an outrageous statement. I do hope if you come down with some strange malaise, you go private. (not that you'd get treated any better) . Most of the doctors/consultants working in the NHS, also have contracts with private health companies. Chances are that you'll see the same consultant after paying a fortune. The diagnosis will be the same. The treatment will be the same. Only difference is you'll pay thousands for the private one.
A few years ago I went to my own doctor with a back/ shoulder complaint. A week later the referral letter drops through the post and gave me three choices of hospital for treatment. I decided (for the experience) to choose the Nuffield Health hospital, as my doctor told me I'd be seen by a consultant quicker. on my appointment date I arrived there at 6:30pm , for my 6:45pm appointment. Their receptionist took my details and told me to wait. At 7pm I approached the receptionist and asked if the consultant was running late? She again told me to wait patiently. Only when it got to 7:40pm, I again asked her. She made a phone call and it transpired the "consultant" wasn't running late,,, he'd decided he wasn't coming in that evening as he was going out to dinner. She told me the appointment would have to be re-made, so I told her to forget it, I'd re-select my treatment options.
The next day I phoned and emailed Nuffield Health HQ. They responded by saying that I had failed to turn up for the appointment.
. I gave them the receptionists name, the consultants name and asked them to investigate as I would also make a compliant to the health authorities.Finally they responded saying there had been a mix up over the dates. ( I had the appointment letter with date and time of appointment, so I know there hadn't been a mix up) A few weeks later I actually bumped into the "consultant", when he was doing a ward round on the ward I was working on, but professional etiquette, wouldn't allow me to question him, far less approach him.
So Hawkeye, best of luck going private. Believe me, it's no better and , should you need an operation, the survival rates for private operations are as near as damn it , the same as survival rates for NHS performed operations. (hardly surprising being that it's the same surgeons carrying out many ops, both privately and on the NHS)
Going private means being fast tracked through the system surely?
Front of the cue.
Which can mean the difference between life and death.
I stand by most of that except your sentiments about quantitive data. They can run profiles on people now which show levels of just about every micro and macro vitamin/nutrient. To say it isn't necessary isn't very smart. It might not be necessary to the practitioner who gets the consultation fee everytime you go back because the treatments not worked, but it is to the patient who bares the cost. I see it as a sort of investment. You can quantify what is wrong so you can treat it. Taking treatments in the blind is a pretty inefficient way of treating someone, but it's the only way we've had until technological advances allowed for a more scientific approach. In the future people will be screened as a formality, this will remove a lot of the hit and miss style treatments/misdiagnosis, which allows for a lot of unscrupulous/predator-type characters making lots of money from sick and desperate people.
You've clearly had good experiences with a homeopath. I've had good experiences with a nutritionist. So it's a good thing, and shows there are answers to be had in the alternative health field. I have a lot of respect for chinese medicine and chinese herbalism in general is an unextremely underused resource. There are plants that are not widely used or acknowledged but have just as powerful effects on treating diseases/viruses as antibiotics, and in the majority of cases are less harmful to the body.
If one is worried about blood sugar levels get one of them testing kits u can buy in the chemist
I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetis about 2 years ago .I have always had a very high sugar diet.
I have had a blood sugar level as low as 2 & never felt any different or un-well apparently below 4 is not good ???????
I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetis about 2 years ago .I have always had a very high sugar diet.
I have had a blood sugar level as low as 2 & never felt any different or un-well apparently below 4 is not good ???????
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Did you not read my post then Roger? An appointment made, Consultant can't be bothered to turn up. They then say I missed the appointment? (before later admitting there was an error, but still failed to apologise) Hmmmmmm Fast track to bloody nowhere in my experience.
Transam, a blood sugar of 2 is exceptionally low, but easily sorted with a sugary drink, or glucose (either tablet or even better liquid form) I'm surprised that you didn't feel anything though (when your BM (blood sugar count) was that low.
What an outrageous statement. I do hope if you come down with some strange malaise, you go private. (not that you'd get treated any better) . Most of the doctors/consultants working in the NHS, also have contracts with private health companies. Chances are that you'll see the same consultant after paying a fortune. The diagnosis will be the same. The treatment will be the same. Only difference is you'll pay thousands for the private one.
A few years ago I went to my own doctor with a back/ shoulder complaint. A week later the referral letter drops through the post and gave me three choices of hospital for treatment. I decided (for the experience) to choose the Nuffield Health hospital, as my doctor told me I'd be seen by a consultant quicker. on my appointment date I arrived there at 6:30pm , for my 6:45pm appointment. Their receptionist took my details and told me to wait. At 7pm I approached the receptionist and asked if the consultant was running late? She again told me to wait patiently. Only when it got to 7:40pm, I again asked her. She made a phone call and it transpired the "consultant" wasn't running late,,, he'd decided he wasn't coming in that evening as he was going out to dinner. She told me the appointment would have to be re-made, so I told her to forget it, I'd re-select my treatment options.
The next day I phoned and emailed Nuffield Health HQ. They responded by saying that I had failed to turn up for the appointment.
Finally they responded saying there had been a mix up over the dates. ( I had the appointment letter with date and time of appointment, so I know there hadn't been a mix up) A few weeks later I actually bumped into the "consultant", when he was doing a ward round on the ward I was working on, but professional etiquette, wouldn't allow me to question him, far less approach him.
So Hawkeye, best of luck going private. Believe me, it's no better and , should you need an operation, the survival rates for private operations are as near as damn it , the same as survival rates for NHS performed operations. (hardly surprising being that it's the same surgeons carrying out many ops, both privately and on the NHS)
I've had health issues my entire life, chronic, but not debilitating. The NHS to me has been total and utter garbage and not worth the public money that is spent on it. It is a total and utter disgrace and fails people more than they would ever like people to believe. This is not an isolated theme though because western alopathic medicine is pretty poor at treating people ANYWAY. Maybe if you need something cut off or stiched up you will get the help you need, but for long-term (complicated) chronic conditions we've adopted the US revolving door style system, where a patient comes in and gets pumped full of drugs which creates a load of symptoms that need a load of other drugs to manage. The reality is most doctors know NOTHING about health, they are trained in disease and matching disease symptoms with product. The system is corrupt and rotten to it's very core.
As you mention yourself, a doctor will often have one thumb in the private sector and the other in the public sector. This is a scandal in itself. You can pay privately to see the same disinterested idiot who will most likely fail to diagnose you properly and leave you chasing your own trail trying to manage symptoms that some garbage cream or ointment has failed to help with. Exactly right - you do get the same treatment privately as you do on the NHS. Key benefit to paying for the same shyte treatment is to get to see the doctor quicker, as you say. You have misunderstood what I was saying so I hope this is clear now. Although in terms of diagnosis, I've found the NHS pretty useful in running tests if only to eliminate a particular avenue. I've used tests and checks I've had on the NHS to send to my nutritionist and it's help better tailor my treatment. They don't know I'm doing this though. I'm actually one of those people that phones up when I have a blood tests and ask for it to be sent to me so I can check through all my levels. They hate this. Primarily because I might find something they have missed (which is common) and which I might use against them.
My worst and longest standing symptoms were chronic fatigue and sporadic dermatitis which occurs all over my body, often in embarrasing places like the folds of my nose. In 3 months my nutritionist did more for this than the NHS did in 20 years. I also think the NHS failure has little to do with money, people saying more money needs to be spent, it doesn't. They need to train doctors properly and push aside the current falty paradigms they use to assess and treat people, and eliminate these parasitic pharmaceutical companies that have a handle in what sort of treatments get prescribed and where research money gets spent.
Perhaps if you have an invasive cancer that the NHS cannot afford to treat yes
You would think so but its not always the case. I have had kidney problems for the past 10+ years and about 5 years ago I had to see a specialist on the NHS. I got to see him within 3 weeks at the local hospital when I lived in Liverpool. In the waiting room I got talking to a bloke from Southport, about 20 miles outside Liverpool, and he was seeing the same specialist under BUPA. He had been waiting 5 weeks for his appointment for exactly the same problem I have which is membranous neuropathy, a condition where your immune system decides your kidneys are alien to your body and start attacking it. We both took the same level of immunosuppressant's to control the problem.
So basically, no, private doesn't mean better or quicker I'm afraid.
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The NHS, isn't failing Hawkey. The NHS is being failed by our own government and bureaucracy.
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