Religion? how many decades has it got?

[JBR]

JBR, we both have the same interest then, I am well into electronics as well, and own 11 moggies!

People like you and i are probably more curious than most as we want to know how things work, and why they work.

Indeed we are, and electricity is one field of study that still has many questions. Reading about Tesla, for example, opens up all sorts of weird and wonderful things, the explanation of which seems to have died with him.

Only one cat here. He wouldn't allow any other house-room.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

My favorite subject currently is to explore possible benefits of injecting HH0 in petrol engines to yield a few percent better efficiency, and improvement in mpg.

HHO generating techniques, as used by Stanley Myers, who was found dead after his successful invention, as I am sure there was too much at stake by Oil Mafia and Government revenue loss if people stopped buying petrol!


I do believe that it is possible to split water molecule into its individual components more efficiently using water resonant technique than a simple electrolysis, which obviously isn't economically viable.


As an example, let us take coal for instant, we know coal can be found in coal mines deep underground, and we know we can burn coal or convert it into other gasses, and use its energy, but to extract coal requires specialised equipment and transport and organisation and the dangers of deep underground mining, so in the end if you spend a million pounds on a mine and you only yielded 1/2 a billion in return by selling this coal, then it is not economically viable,

But if you deployed a ore efficient method, used robots to extract coal deep underground, no life risk, and robots could work day and night without tiring, you could extract more coal and sell it for 2 million pounds, so by employing a different technique you have achieved higher efficiency!

same way if water can be split using a more efficient technique, then why not put some research into this. HHO is a powerful and abundant source of energy!

there are people all over the world who have claimed to have achieved this but were suppressed or their ideas were confiscated, oil giants bought them out, so we don't really know the truth.

The other field of interest is in free magnetic generator. I know what i am up against, the law of thermodynamics! but man has come a long way to overcome obstacles!

We can't beat gravity, but we have overcome it and can now fly and using planes, there must be ways with which we could control magnetic fields at will to generate electricity and use less energy and get more out,I don't know, if that will ever be possible, but there are lots of demonstrations on Youtube showing devices self running and generating electricity, or they appear to be, but only God knows the truth!

 

[JBR]

Sorry. Cock-up whilst editing.

 

[JBR]

Sorry. Cock-up whilst editing again.

 

[JBR]

same way if water can be split using a more efficient technique, then why not put some research into this. HHO is a powerful and abundant source of energy!

there are people all over the world who have claimed to have achieved this but were suppressed or their ideas were confiscated, oil giants bought them out, so we don't really know the truth.

I'd like to think that someone, somewhere may have cracked this. If they have, and the oil companies have silenced them, then at least there will be a reliable source of energy when the oil does, inevitably, run out.

The other field of interest is in free magnetic generator. I know what i am up against, the law of thermodynamics! but man has come a long way to overcome obstacles!

We can't beat gravity, but we have overcome it and can now fly and using planes, there must be ways with which we could control magnetic fields at will to generate electricity and use less energy and get more out,I don't know, if that will ever be possible, but there are lots of demonstrations on Youtube showing devices self running and generating electricity, or they appear to be, but only God knows the truth!

This, of course, could produce what is called 'perpetual motion'. In my opinion, that runs contrary to the laws of physics. I recall when I was at college, we were each asked to design and produce something innovative that would solve a perceived problem. One of my fellow students - a middle-aged lady (although that is of no real importance) insisted that she was going to create a machine that would have constant movement without any input of energy. I tactfully pointed out that this would be perpetual motion and that was impossible. She didn't believe me and, out of politeness, I didn't pursue the matter. I'm afraid her 'invention' came to nothing!

I should take the YouTube demonstrations with a pinch of salt. You direct me to one and I'll pick holes in it!

I'm not trying to be offensive - humorous, perhaps - but if you have a direct line to God, and He knows the truth, please let me know too!

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Someone has made a perpetual motion for the purpose of demo, it appears to work, though it may be loosing 0.00001% energy per cycle and may eventually come to stop due to wear and tear the friction would go up, but of course such demos are not good for practical use as they have no extra energy or force to drive a generator.

as for magnetic motors, when i said we put less energy, and get more, I do not mean we create the extra energy, but we extract the extra energy from the magnets, by using a smaller amount to begin with or in other words we leverage the energy from the permanent magnets.

But I do often wonder, that youtube claims are fake, they look quite promising, and convincing, but if the oil giants knew such ideas existed, or even if the Governments knew that such ideas are valid but can be bad for the revenue, then it makes me wonder why on the earth are they going through so much pain of installing offshore wind farms, which are quite difficult and costly in the first place and the electricity they will generate is not going to be reliable and enough. So I am suspicious about these claims, as no body would want to go through the trouble of making these huge windf arms if alternative and easier technology was available.

 

[wobs]

Time and again in this thread, you have shown a complete lack of any scientific understanding.

My favorite subject currently is to explore possible benefits of injecting HH0 in petrol engines to yield a few percent better efficiency, and improvement in mpg.

HHO generating techniques, as used by Stanley Myers, who was found dead after his successful invention, as I am sure there was too much at stake by Oil Mafia and Government revenue loss if people stopped buying petrol!

Lets start with HHO:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4310717
No it does not work.
But we see a good conspiracy theory [check]
Talk of big oil cover ups [check]

I do believe that it is possible to split water molecule into its individual components more efficiently using water resonant technique than a simple electrolysis, which obviously isn't economically viable.

What you believe has no baring on reality. If it were economic to get hydrogen (and therefore easy), but some low energy method, we would be doing it, and making a fortune out it. Even oil companies would be doing, espeically when the alternative is drilling in ever more difficult locations.

As an example, let us take coal for instant, we know coal can be found in coal mines deep underground, and we know we can burn coal or convert it into other gasses, and use its energy, but to extract coal requires specialised equipment and transport and organisation and the dangers of deep underground mining, so in the end if you spend a million pounds on a mine and you only yielded 1/2 a billion in return by selling this coal, then it is not economically viable,

But if you deployed a ore efficient method, used robots to extract coal deep underground, no life risk, and robots could work day and night without tiring, you could extract more coal and sell it for 2 million pounds, so by employing a different technique you have achieved higher efficiency!

You have no idea why this is not currently viable do you.

same way if water can be split using a more efficient technique, then why not put some research into this. HHO is a powerful and abundant source of energy!

No, no and no.

there are people all over the world who have claimed to have achieved this but were suppressed or their ideas were confiscated, oil giants bought them out, so we don't really know the truth.

The world is not short on liers, pseudoscience, and conspiracy theories.

The other field of interest is in free magnetic generator. I know what i am up against, the law of thermodynamics! but man has come a long way to overcome obstacles!

We can't beat gravity, but we have overcome it and can now fly and using planes, there must be ways with which we could control magnetic fields at will to generate electricity and use less energy and get more out,I don't know, if that will ever be possible, but there are lots of demonstrations on Youtube showing devices self running and generating electricity, or they appear to be, but only God knows the truth!

So much wrong squeezed into such a small space.
The laws of physics don't even phaze you. Youtube is a great source for crackpot ideas that are lies.

Again, if we could make more efficient devices, we would, as the market wants it.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Different people see or perceive things differently, but facts don't change, take for instant, Momentum and Inertia, it is said that objects acquire these when in motion, but I would say all objects whether at rest or not have inertia and momentum, it is relative to observer. Hence why different people will see this as relatively. Therefore I am not wrong in saying that all objects have inertia and momentum even when they are at rest. The measurement of this also varies throughout and so is not steady either, except may be at certain areas.

Though clearly Motion and change in the velocity and direction causes these two phenomenon, therefore it must interact with something that we cannot see, some invisible force or field. Otherwise how would it know that it is in motion? it can only do this when it is relative to something!!

This is one reason why we feel better at certain times of the day or night and not at another time as these forces interfere with our mood, and tidal waves can also be effected by this varying Inertia and Momentum as well as the effects of moon's gravity.

I could expand on my explanation if you must contest this.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Time and again in this thread, you have shown a complete lack of any scientific understanding.

My favorite subject currently is to explore possible benefits of injecting HH0 in petrol engines to yield a few percent better efficiency, and improvement in mpg.

HHO generating techniques, as used by Stanley Myers, who was found dead after his successful invention, as I am sure there was too much at stake by Oil Mafia and Government revenue loss if people stopped buying petrol!

Lets start with HHO:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4310717
No it does not work.
But we see a good conspiracy theory [check]
Talk of big oil cover ups [check]

I do believe that it is possible to split water molecule into its individual components more efficiently using water resonant technique than a simple electrolysis, which obviously isn't economically viable.

What you believe has no baring on reality. If it were economic to get hydrogen (and therefore easy), but some low energy method, we would be doing it, and making a fortune out it. Even oil companies would be doing, espeically when the alternative is drilling in ever more difficult locations.

As an example, let us take coal for instant, we know coal can be found in coal mines deep underground, and we know we can burn coal or convert it into other gasses, and use its energy, but to extract coal requires specialised equipment and transport and organisation and the dangers of deep underground mining, so in the end if you spend a million pounds on a mine and you only yielded 1/2 a billion in return by selling this coal, then it is not economically viable,

But if you deployed a ore efficient method, used robots to extract coal deep underground, no life risk, and robots could work day and night without tiring, you could extract more coal and sell it for 2 million pounds, so by employing a different technique you have achieved higher efficiency!

You have no idea why this is not currently viable do you.

same way if water can be split using a more efficient technique, then why not put some research into this. HHO is a powerful and abundant source of energy!

No, no and no.

there are people all over the world who have claimed to have achieved this but were suppressed or their ideas were confiscated, oil giants bought them out, so we don't really know the truth.

The world is not short on liers, pseudoscience, and conspiracy theories.

The other field of interest is in free magnetic generator. I know what i am up against, the law of thermodynamics! but man has come a long way to overcome obstacles!

We can't beat gravity, but we have overcome it and can now fly and using planes, there must be ways with which we could control magnetic fields at will to generate electricity and use less energy and get more out,I don't know, if that will ever be possible, but there are lots of demonstrations on Youtube showing devices self running and generating electricity, or they appear to be, but only God knows the truth!

So much wrong squeezed into such a small space.
The laws of physics don't even phaze you. Youtube is a great source for crackpot ideas that are lies.

Again, if we could make more efficient devices, we would, as the market wants it.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box, as they say, or as the saying goes.

No one is talking of breaking laws of nature, but if you take water, composed of 2 atoms of Hydrogen and 1 atom of Oxygen, the energy is stored within these atoms, so I am not talking of creating new energy, but how to effectively split the two, a simple electrolysis is inefficient method, but has scientist or anyone else explored may another unique method that can successfully split the two using minimal energy, like using some resonant field and high voltage, as Stanley Mayers achieved, any reason why he died before his innovation could be flooded into the market.


There have been other claims on people running cars on water alone, they have not only demonstrated, and their Governments also took part in scrutiny, but unfortunately oil giants and IMF are more powerful than you could imagine, they can even manipulate smaller and weaker Governments, to the extent of adding sanctions, and stopping any financial assistance, and what is more these Government officials can be bought with money, bribes, and such innovators and their families threatened with death, their ideas are suppressed from coming out and marketed.

Perhaps I wonder if you actually know the reality, or do you just think inside the box, told to think within the box walls, have you ever engaged your own independent thinking ? pondered outside the box walls.

How do you think likes of people like Einstein and Newton came up with alternative ideas to previously thought ideas, that is because they went outside the box and refused to accept previous ideas.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Improving a car's engine efficiency, is quite simple, and not a rocket science:

we all know internal combustion engines are around 25% efficient roughly, the rest of the fuel burnt is used to heat the planet!

So how could you improve its efficiency, my proposed solution is simple:

Use the waste exhaust gasses, to run a turbine (Turbo) wheel that is coupled to a generator, and not a compressor wheel, geared down to run a 2nd Altrnator, this can produce the amount of electrical energy required to split water. It is coming from a 2nd generator (or alternator) and not the first one that which is used in all cars to maintain its electrical supply and keep the battery in charged state.

Turbo is currently used on cars to achieve greater power output from a smaller sized engine, for instance by adding a turbo to a 1.0 liter engine can be as good as a 2 liter naturally inspirited engine.

But this is at the expense of having to add extra fuel along with boosted induction air into the engine, so though you may get more power from a smaller engine, it does nothing towards the economy, you infect use more fuel, so no real saving but higher performance.

The waste exhaust gasses are used to run a turbo and a compressor, to compress induction air and stuff it by force into the cylinders along with correct stoichiometric fuel ratio.

However, if these waste gasses are used to generate electric current then you could produce HHO and increase the efficiency of the engine, get HHO to yield extra energy that would have gone to waste, and get more MPG, from these otherwise wasted gasses. You still use the conventional fuel, but are adding HHO as well, so not only you would now use much less fuel, The alternator or a generator could perhaps add its power directly to the driven wheels via an electric motor adding to the engine power as they do in F1 cars using KERS system. So if you didn't fancy generating HHO, you could drive a motor to add to the engine HP.

But one needs to get out of the box and do all these experiments!

 

[JBR]

I agree that hydrogen and oxygen, when combined, can create quite large explosive forces. Certainly, these can look very impressive. However, the power needed to separate the oxygen and hydrogen atoms is in excess of the power we obtain by burning the products.

This is all basic stuff, to the extent that it must have been considered by scientists and engineers already.

The one thing I find interesting is the means of separating the two elements by means other than electrolysis. You mentioned a 'water resonant technique' earlier. I haven't heard of this, but I'd be interested to learn more about it.

 

[chapeau]

but I'd be interested to learn more about it.

Oh Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a FRUITCAKE !!!!

(though it does make a lot of sense to keep him on this thread so he doesn't pollute the rest of the site, maybe there is a cunning plan in your madness)

 

[Mikefromlondon]

It is true to say the least all true thinkers were ridiculed, so now you know what the score is, I am way above the ability of your grey matter in its thick lead housing, which filters even the Gama rays from penetrating, where upon I detect 80% dark matter or empty space with about only 20% grey matter inside that round thing you support above your shoulders and neck! This is based on my hypothesis and my observation of your choice of words!

 

[wobs]

No one is talking of breaking laws of nature,

Yes, you are.

There have been other claims on people running cars on water alone, they have not only demonstrated, and their Governments also took part in scrutiny, but unfortunately oil giants and IMF are more powerful than you could imagine, they can even manipulate smaller and weaker Governments, to the extent of adding sanctions, and stopping any financial assistance, and what is more these Government officials can be bought with money, bribes, and such innovators and their families threatened with death, their ideas are suppressed from coming out and marketed.

Claims are not evidence. Give up.
This has been disproved many time without number.

Perhaps I wonder if you actually know the reality, or do you just think inside the box, told to think within the box walls, have you ever engaged your own independent thinking ? pondered outside the box walls.

You need to find reality.

How do you think likes of people like Einstein and Newton came up with alternative ideas to previously thought ideas, that is because they went outside the box and refused to accept previous ideas.

No, they were clever. You are not.
You believe things that make you feel good, and you ignore evidence that contradicts your claims. This is the opposite to being clever.

 

[Mikefromlondon]

Oh deer! can see here you have a problem grasping new ideas! your loss not mine! shame though!

BTW, I didn't say Einstein wasn't clever, in fact so much so that his theories actually helped me to figure out God, without his statements like Energy cannot be destroyed nor created, I could have doubted if God existed, but I am afraid I am no fruitcake like you are.

Further more even you cannot think outside the box, what a real shame.