Right Wing Coup continues - Dacre to head Ofcom and Moore as BBC Chairman

[SirGalahad]

The checks and balances that allow a left leaning agenda to be propagated throughout the BBC?

it’s in our interests to have a balanced, impartial BBC. Not the woke brigade we currently have.

The BBC News is not left leaning - look at who runs the political output - it used to be Robbie Gibb who left the BBC to become director of Comms for 10 Downing st and now is heading up GB News. He's a RW Tory.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22160501

The former editor of the Times, James Harding is the BBC's new director of news and current affairs, director general Tony Hall has confirmed.

You must be off the charts if you think BBC news is woke.

Its always the refrain of RWR by creating a straw man that the BBC is left leaning.

 

[SirGalahad]

Nonsense. Brexit is as good as dead.

Brexit was the ruse to take democracy away from so many. The greatest trick the Tories play is that they were never in charge. 10 years of Austerity and low wage growth - don't blame us - that was Labours fault. Covid and Brexit - well they were the EU and China fault.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

This is great news, although I won't hold my breath for it to happen. What a massive job they would have to do clearing out the lefties. Augean stables!

 

[fillyboy]

This is great news, although I won't hold my breath for it to happen. What a massive job they would have to do clearing out the lefties. Augean stables!

Not that massive a job, simply don't renew the Charter which they,re in breach of anyway, allow the BBC to continue as a commercial enterprise if they so wish, the lefties would disappear like tears in the rain.

 

[noseall]

Not that massive a job, simply don't renew the Charter which they,re in breach of anyway, allow the BBC to continue as a commercial enterprise if they so wish, the lefties would disappear like tears in the rain.

Nonsense. The BBC will carry on as before - nothing will change and it does not need to. They will be as impartial in six months as they are today.

However. fillys silence is deafening....

Boris is losing.

(chuckle).

 

[Vinty]

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noseall said: ↑
Boris is losing.
Boris has an 80 seat majority which he won't lose anytime soon.
Noseall needs to reflect on why Boris won a huge majority at the last election.

Noseall you are a.....

 

[Notch7]

Not that massive a job, simply don't renew the Charter which they,re in breach of anyway, allow the BBC to continue as a commercial enterprise if they so wish, the lefties would disappear like tears in the rain.

Fillyboy realises its bad to have any media outlet that challenges the govts lies.

Fillyboy obviously therefore accepts this govt is nothing but lies and spin

 

[Lower]

The BBC News is not left leaning - look at who runs the political output - it used to be Robbie Gibb who left the BBC to become director of Comms for 10 Downing st and now is heading up GB News. He's a RW Tory.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22160501

The former editor of the Times, James Harding is the BBC's new director of news and current affairs, director general Tony Hall has confirmed.

You must be off the charts if you think BBC news is woke.

Its always the refrain of RWR by creating a straw man that the BBC is left leaning.

If there was a roll on the floor laughing emoji, i'd use it after that post.

To say that the BBC is not left leaning and woke is like saying the sun won't set this evening. The Tories aren't even trying to make it right wing, they're trying to make the BBC take the neutral ground. Even with these high profile appointments its going to take years for the culture change to seep its way down through the BBC's left wing institutional bias.

 

[Notch7]

If there was a roll on the floor laughing emoji, i'd use it after that post.

To say that the BBC is not left leaning and woke is like saying the sun won't set this evening. The Tories aren't even trying to make it right wing, they're trying to make the BBC take the neutral ground. Even with these high profile appointments its going to take years for the culture change to seep its way down through the BBC's left wing institutional bias.

Err Lower, you are a Right leaning, pro Tory, pro brexit, Telegraph reader.......do you not see the irony of you claiming BBC bias.


Surely even you can appreciate the power grab by the govt of putting in Moore and Dacre.

Charles Moore: Telegraph editor. Mmm Telegraph owned by Barclay brothers, Tory donors
Paul Dacre: Daily Mail a Troy propaganda machine


If you approve of those appointments then I can only presume you understand the need for this govt to prevent media scrutinising its lies and spin.

 

[SirGalahad]

If there was a roll on the floor laughing emoji, i'd use it after that post.

To say that the BBC is not left leaning and woke is like saying the sun won't set this evening. The Tories aren't even trying to make it right wing, they're trying to make the BBC take the neutral ground. Even with these high profile appointments its going to take years for the culture change to seep its way down through the BBC's left wing institutional bias.

So a non response as usual. The News output is not left leaning unless you are a looney.

Take a neutral ground is not journalism - that's another straw man argument pushed by RWR. Journalists and journalism is to seek out the facts and truth and present them.

Your idea of neutrality is the "both sides argument" - which is rubbish. That would mean you need to put forward the view of a flat earther to counter the view of a scientist.

 

[Lower]

Err Lower, you are a Right leaning, pro Tory, pro brexit, Telegraph reader.......do you not see the irony of you claiming BBC bias.


Surely even you can appreciate the power grab by the govt of putting in Moore and Dacre.

Charles Moore: Telegraph editor. Mmm Telegraph owned by Barclay brothers, Tory donors
Paul Dacre: Daily Mail a Troy propaganda machine


If you approve of those appointments then I can only presume you understand the need for this govt to prevent media scrutinising its lies and spin.

I will freely admit that most of what you have ascertained about me is fairly (but not entirely) accurate.

But just because i have a bias doesn't mean that the BBC isn't biased. I do have a bias, but i like to think that i recognise that and have a healthy respect for people's opinions that don't necessarily agree with mine.

However, the BBC's remit is to impartially report the news and generate other factual and entertaining content that represents the views of the nation. I don't think the BBC has impartially done that throughout the whole Brexit debate, the series of elections that we've had since the start of the coalition, or on other topics like global warming, Trump, LGBTQ, BLM, etc etc.

I don't see putting in Moore and Dacre as a power grab, i see it as an attempt to rebalance a heavily left leaning organisation and when you have an organisation that is as heavily imbalanced as the BBC with huge inertia and resistance to change, it will take some big moves to try to bring things back to the centre ground.

 

[Lower]

So a non response as usual. The News output is not left leaning unless you are a looney.

Take a neutral ground is not journalism - that's another straw man argument pushed by RWR. Journalists and journalism is to seek out the facts and truth and present them.

Your idea of neutrality is the "both sides argument" - which is rubbish. That would mean you need to put forward the view of a flat earther to counter the view of a scientist.

That is absolutely not a straw man argument. You do like tying to apply labels to shut down a discussion, don't you?

The BBC's news reporting should be factual and balanced. The commercial stations will have their bias in all directions but the BBC's remit should be (to quote the BBC's own Public Purpose) ' To provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them'. As an example, having a rant about Cummings like Emily Maitliss did isn't meeting with that remit unless they then have an equally biased programme dedicated to challenging similarly positioned labour party advisors, which they didn't. For wokeness, a listen to some of the mainstream radio programmes where they only have liberals and left wingers trying to outwoke each other will tell you institutionalised the wokeness has become.

The BBC's remit is also to provide far more than just news, its also to provide education and entertainment in a way that represents that diverse views and cultural make up of the UK and i don't believe it has been doing that. Just look at the backlash the BBC received when it tried to not have Rule Britannia sung on the last night of the proms.

 

[JohnD]

I don't see putting in Moore and Dacre as a power grab

Of course you don't.
You see nothing wrong in putting notorious far-right propagandists in positions of power.

I can understand how distressing it is for right-wing citizens.

Most of the mass-media in UK is owned by tax-dodging billionaires who try to push their right wing agenda. It ranges from the right-wing Sun and the pro-tory Times to the right-wing Telegraph and the insanely right Express and Mail.

if that's the sea you swim in, it must be painful to hear people who don't share the opinions you think normal. Perhaps that makes you think they have no right to be heard.

There is only one mass-media source in Britain that makes a conscious effort to be fair and even-handed.

And it isn't the Murdoch press, radio and TV.

it's the BBC.

 

[SirGalahad]

That is absolutely not a straw man argument. You do like tying to apply labels to shut down a discussion, don't you?

The BBC's news reporting should be factual and balanced. The commercial stations will have their bias in all directions but the BBC's remit should be (to quote the BBC's own Public Purpose) ' To provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them'. As an example, having a rant about Cummings like Emily Maitliss did isn't meeting with that remit unless they then have an equally biased programme dedicated to challenging similarly positioned labour party advisors, which they didn't. For wokeness, a listen to some of the mainstream radio programmes where they only have liberals and left wingers trying to outwoke each other will tell you institutionalised the wokeness has become.

The BBC's remit is also to provide far more than just news, its also to provide education and entertainment in a way that represents that diverse views and cultural make up of the UK and i don't believe it has been doing that. Just look at the backlash the BBC received when it tried to not have Rule Britannia sung on the last night of the proms.

Balanced - there you go - you can't keep sliding in your RWR talking points. So we need to interview a rapist as well as the victim to get a balanced view. The role of the news is to report facts and information in a format that people can understand.

You provided no evidence other than your RWR soundbites. Wokeness? Radio 4 and John Humfreys would disagree. Kuenssberg has been supportive of Bojo and all you have is one outspoken minute by Maitlisson Newsnight as evidence? But put the spotlight back on Cummings - his actions and the lack of reprimand has lost the Government a great deal of trust.

Rule Brittania - another stoked up culture war by the right. To quote

"In a statement, the BBC said the original decision to not sing the words had been an artistic one because Covid-19 restrictions meant they were not able to bring together massed voices for the songs. Instead there were to be orchestral versions."

So they could not sing it with 150 people but decided to sing it with about 18.



Thats the Charter - what do you object?

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