What is this pipes name ?

[Steelmasons]

You were met with a good reception when you ventured into the CC.

 

[JBPHS]

Aye lad, yer can't beat a good old heated debate. If people can't stand the heat, they should keep their hands away from the boiler.

James.

 

[Onetap]

Can you guarantee that everyone who can view this forum has completed their ACS?
James.

No. But the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations only requires the ACS qualification for those working on gas as employees or as self-employed. The only general requirement is that the person is competent.

You're supposed to know this stuff if you're a gas fitter.

You shouldn't misrepresent the requirements of the legislation to members of the public for your own pecuniary advantage.

Especially not to those members of the public who seem to know more about it than you do.

 

[Onetap]

And the only way to prove competence is through an approved awarding body via the ACS assessments. Otherwise any tom, dick and Harry can just say "I am competent" without having to prove it

No, Dean.

Where do the Gas Safety Regulations require proof of competence?

They don't, except in the case of those working on gas as employees or self-employed, in which case you have to be a member of a 'class of persons', etc., i.e., Gas Safe.

Corgi and Gas Safe have blocked entrance to the ACS assessments for non-trade candidates, for the financial advantage of their members. They have prevented some people from demonstrating that they are not competent.

The lack of an ACS ticket to service and install domestic boilers does not make those who are competent ( say to install their own gas pipes) incompetent to do so.

Please stop trying to misrepresent what the statute actually says.

 

[Dan Robinson]

You only have to be a member of a "class of persons" if you are working for reward or gain.


You DO however have to be competent.

There is only one way to demonstrate competence prior to incident.

If something happens (BOOM!) then you would have to demonstrate competence to the prosecuting authority.

 

[Onetap]

You only have to be a member of a "class of persons" if you are working for reward or gain.


You DO however have to be competent.

Exactly.

There is only one way to demonstrate competence prior to incident.

If something happens (BOOM!) then you would have to demonstrate competence to the prosecuting authority.

The BOOM! alone demonstrates you weren't competent, if it is proved to be the result of your work.

If you were Gas Safe registered, such a BOOM! would show that you were competent but had been negligent.

 

[Dan Robinson]

The BOOM could have been caused by several things.

The prosecution/investigators would be of course looking into potential causes. Recent gas work being one of them.

As we know ACS is not a sign of quality.

But it does give an audit trail.

Also a clears up the question of negligent (criminally or otherwise) and incompetent.

Which as I understand it has a totally different sentencing schedule.

Pecuniary reasons aside - the law does need addressing as it is not clear or beneficial to either side of the argument. Obviously those of us who spend a king's ransom to be registered would prefer the tightening of such things. And the ones who like to think they're competent want carte blanche to do what they like.


The big problem is that DIY'ers are seldom equipped to work on modern appliances both in regards to mental faculties and equipment.

 

[Onetap]

Pecuniary reasons aside -


the law does need addressing as it is not clear or beneficial to either side of the argument. Obviously those of us who spend a king's ransom to be registered would prefer the tightening of such things. And the ones who like to think they're competent want carte blanche to do what they like.


The big problem is that DIY'ers are seldom equipped to work on modern appliances both in regards to mental faculties and equipment.

The law is clear; it just does not say what some people think it should say.

The HSE have said somewhere that they had no plans to amend the law on DIY gas installation because they had not found it to be a problem.

 

[Dan Robinson]

The HSE have said somewhere that they had no plans to amend the law on DIY gas installation because they had not found it to be a problem.

Or rather would cost too much for them to defend/fight the vested interests of the markets.

Have you not noticed the irony of Screwfix and Plumbfix refusing to sell gas fittings and boilers to the general public.

Yet B&Poo sell DIY gas fire installation kits?


The whole thing is messed up; and whilst the likes of your good-self are probably very competent. I would say the large majority are total muppets.

 

[GodKnows]

Hi all,

To the original question, alot of posts have gone off topic into the relms of legislation and competence. I hope you have had a GSR engineer out who took the transit plastic covering off the boiler which inhibits the seal to the compustion chamber in your boiler!!! This could cause a leakage of products of combustion to come into your property

The information you require is in the installation manual which was given to you when the boiler was fitted. Although, as it wasn't installed correctly, I doubt he left said document....

Hope you resolve your issues.

 

[gasbanni]

Anyway name of the pipe is irrelevant he just needs an O ring.


Oooooh smack my wrist giving out gas safe engineers secrets.

 

[Nozzle]

Have you not noticed the irony of Screwfix and Plumbfix refusing to sell gas fittings and boilers to the general public.

Yet B&Poo sell DIY gas fire installation kits?

And yet Screwfix and B&Q belong to the same parent company (Kingfisher) so it's clearly not corporate policy that is dictating these decisions. More like Screwfix subsidiary don't want to offend the sensibilities of the Gas Tradesmen by selling gas gear to general public - they'd face a boycott if the flavour of this thread is anything to go by.

Nozzle