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gasbanni

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:31 pm Reply with quote

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600 for a days work for two men is perfectly reasonable, with all the overheads not a bad price at all.

Can't quite grasp why your so bitter about it, you did it yourself in the end even its an illegal install ! But as the council don't know about it keep your fingers crossed the neigbours dont complain !

By the way, from your description of what youve done its wrong you should have got a HETAS installer to do it icon_lol.gif


Go ahead smart @rse, as far as I have read, it meets all the current regs as published.

2 peoples work? I managed it solo! As for the neighbours complaining, not much chance of that! I wouldnt pay 600 a day for a lawyer or an accountant, never mind someone to thread a stainless steel tube up a flue and fasten a few jubilee clips.


Ive read what you've done and its wrong, see if you can guess where
icon_lol.gif smart a**e ? for pointing in your description that it appears you've made an error ? not very gratefull are you ? obviously you cant take a little gentle ribbing icon_confused.gif
By the way the prosecutions are there ........but I dont wish to persue this thread with you, not with a name calling humourless individual as yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:51 pm Reply with quote

[quote="gasbanni";p="2191235"]
mbga9pgf wrote:
gasbanni wrote:
600 for a days work for two men is perfectly reasonable, with all the overheads not a bad price at all.

Can't quite grasp why your so bitter about it, you did it yourself in the end even its an illegal install ! But as the council don't know about it keep your fingers crossed the neigbours dont complain !

By the way, from your description of what youve done its wrong you should have got a HETAS installer to do it icon_lol.gif



Ive read what you've done and its wrong, see if you can guess where
icon_lol.gif smart a**e ? for pointing in your description that it appears you've made an error ? not very gratefull are you ? obviously you cant take a little gentle ribbing icon_confused.gif
By the way the prosecutions are there ........but I dont wish to persue this thread with you, not with a name calling humourless individual as yourself.




more nonsense from trade triying to do their best to slur decent diy work. if it was noncomliant, why not tell me which reg it breaches? or are you just trying to put the frighteners on DIYers who may figure out how easy this work is?

So, there have been prosecutions have there? you would expect that the concil would want to advtise the fact they had been successful. so why hold back on showing me a link then if you know there have been? or are you just making it up as you go along?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:33 pm Reply with quote

MBG, you seem to have one hell of a big chip on your shoulder, sit yourself down and have a cup of tea, the way your going you will be having a heart attack.
Your gripe is really that you thought you were being ripped of by Hetas Installers, yet you have been knocking every reply from the tradesmen on here, all who have given you good advice.
First you havent gone the Hetas route, thats your choice, so you state that you have fitted it yourself, without informing bco, and no certificate of compliance is issued.
Should you have a house fire related to the stove, you will find your house insurance void.
If you came to sell your house, this would be picked up, only 2 weeks ago, I was with a client that was purchasing a property, one of the things picked up was, the stove and flue was diy fitted, no certification.
I was asked if my Hetas installer, (and yes there is a good honest one in Glos ) would certify, he refused saying although he can see the register plate and top of chimney, he cant certify the quality of the liner, or if there are any joins, therefore if he did, the onus would fall on him should anything happen, (thats honesty ).
I suggest you pay the fee to bco and get it certified, if only for peace of mind.
I know you will reply, the same as you have to others on here, with abuse, but how would you feel should you have an accident regarding the stove and your family were in the house.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:23 pm Reply with quote

How will the bco be able to certify the quality of liner and of the joints since it is sealed and no bco I know will go up on the roof? Or, is this just another means of extracting 150 quid out of my pocket to fund some outreach facilitators wage down the council?

As for paperwork, we wont be moving for a long time. If you really think someone would stop a house purchase due to paperwork for a wood burning stove then unfortunately we will have to differ on this one. if someone was to kick up a fuss over something so minor, i wouldnt particularly want to be in a chain with them anyhow. There isnt a law in this land that will stop someone purchasing a house as seen and certainly none that stop purchase due to lack of notification paperwork. As for insurance, you take your chances. I have installed a suitable co detector, but the whole point of regs is to prevent the house fire scenario through the use of approved materials, distances etc which evolve as, i guess, fire investigations take place and more is learned about the causes of solid fuel fires. And as i have said before, how a lined flue installed to meet regs is supposed to be less safe than one without seems a little ludicrous to me. If I had a thatched house, I could understand.

As for "help" of other posters, i am still trying to find anyone who has been prosecuted for doing compliant work, I am also waiting to be told what is exactly wrong with the install as originally described. Or, as I suspect, people are acting as wind up merchants for the sheer hell and that they dont like the thought there is no reason on this earth why experienced DIYers shouldnt be allowed to do these installs without "fear" of prosecution. Other than people putting potential loss of trade ahead of common sense practicality.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:32 pm Reply with quote

Nowt wrong with a diy-er diy-ing it providing that it is checked by the BCO who will verify that is has been done in accordance with the regs and sign it off. In the eventuality of a future sale, it is entirely plausable for a purchaser to negotiate a price reduction to facilitate unregistered installations being repaired or replaced. This is quite likely going to be more costly than a couple of hundred quid to the BCO.

So, op, you may well have done the job properly. Trouble is that you ain't got any paperwork to prove it; which I fear you may come to regret one day.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:16 am Reply with quote

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Nowt wrong with a diy-er diy-ing it providing that it is checked by the BCO who will verify that is has been done in accordance with the regs and sign it off. In the eventuality of a future sale, it is entirely plausable for a purchaser to negotiate a price reduction to facilitate unregistered installations being repaired or replaced. This is quite likely going to be more costly than a couple of hundred quid to the BCO.

So, op, you may well have done the job properly. Trouble is that you ain't got any paperwork to prove it; which I fear you may come to regret one day.

and what exactly can the bco check bearing in mind the flue is sealed and filled with lica?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:00 pm Reply with quote

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and what exactly can the bco check bearing in mind the flue is sealed and filled with lica?
Nothing now you berk. You should have got him involved at the time of the installation, which since you had done all this research seems a pretty poor oversight on your part. icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, you obviously have some social skills difficulties. So go away you tedous little pratt icon_rolleyes.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:00 pm Reply with quote

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and what exactly can the bco check bearing in mind the flue is sealed and filled with lica?
Nothing now you berk. You should have got him involved at the time of the installation, which since you had done all this research seems a pretty poor oversight on your part. icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, you obviously have some social skills difficulties. So go away you tedous little pratt icon_rolleyes.gif


Its a simple question. I undertook this work fully understAnding the requirements. Im not easily scared by idle threats. so tell me, what exactly would the bco inspect if i paid my 150 quid and what other than a piece of paperwork would I have in return?
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Just back from Lanzarote; glad I was there on a sunbed by the pool instead of here icon_cool.gif icon_lol.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:51 am Reply with quote

ok lets turn this on its head. how much would the op charge if he was running a business? keep in mind that you will have to pay two peoples wage( although you may of done it yourself i doubt you will want to day in day out), fuel, all the inital outlays( van, tools etc....), hetas registation and still turn over a post tax profit to live off. put a figure on it and see how far off you are
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:57 pm Reply with quote

blues657 wrote:
ok lets turn this on its head. how much would the op charge if he was running a business? keep in mind that you will have to pay two peoples wage( although you may of done it yourself i doubt you will want to day in day out), fuel, all the inital outlays( van, tools etc....), hetas registation and still turn over a post tax profit to live off. put a figure on it and see how far off you are


400 max, bearing in mind I have decent sparks and plumbers locally who work for 200 a day despite the costs mentioned above. This is assuming its a full days work (it wasnt) and you need 2 people to do the install. I didnt, and I wouldnt expect to have to pay someone qualified persons wages to do little more than pull on a rope at the bottom. I also dont know many plasterers, builders, sparks or plumbers who would finish a job at 12 and then still invoice a full day rate.

If I were running such a business, you would only HETAS "qual" one individual anyhow to work in a team, it only takes one installers signature for both individuals work. Tools? Angle Grinder, rope, scaffold (if you really have to), SDS Drill, no different really to typical tools from typical builders charging 100 a day. No different in my line of work.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:56 pm Reply with quote

With respect, I doubt you would charge that figure - all your customers would be telling you "cor, you're cheap - that other guy quoted 600 a day". After a few of these you (or your other half) would be saying "actually I could be charging more for this". Its human nature. Not nice exactly, but human nature it is. All us trades charge what we find we can get away with. Why would you work for less than you have to? I dont know what you do, but I bet you dont tell your boss you'd work for less.......

That said, you DO sound like you've had some duff advice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:01 am Reply with quote

Hi there,

We too are looking to get a wood burner installed... been quoted the following:

Remove current fireplace suit
Reform opening
Re Lintel and widen opening
Chimney sweep
Supply and fit a fire chamber (black)
Lay Hearth and Back Hearth
Any plastering and making good
Supply and fit Register plate
Supply and fit multifuel flexible flue liner and parts
Installation of stove
Supply and fit flue pipe
Supply and fit chimney cowl

for GBP 1350.

Do you think it's a fair price ? Probably worth waiting until summer to get it installed ? as it might work out cheaper..?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:20 pm Reply with quote

Sounds like a very good price to me, you won't do better than that I don't think
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