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securespark

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:35 pm Reply with quote

There was some discussion here very recently & yet more not long ago about having "LIMS" on these certs.

As far as I'm concerned, I cannot tick some boxes if I cannot inspect all areas of an installation, ie safe zones, proximity of non-electrical services etc...

However, if you cannot verify these things, how can you be certain it is safe to re-instate power after (for eg) a board change?

What do you lot think?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:44 pm Reply with quote

Surely your schedule of inspections only applies to the work you ahve carried out as described in the extent of works field, rather than the whole installation, surely the only time it applies to anything other than work you have carried out is on a periodic?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:29 pm Reply with quote

That is as I understand it.

However, my QS says that the check boxes must be filled in ??????
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:07 pm Reply with quote

for a board change for eg i put n/a and an asterix, then in comments i write "I have not installed final circuit cables and therfore cannot verify their routing"
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:14 pm Reply with quote

hi are your pir form the same as the sample on page
100 gn3 ?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:23 pm Reply with quote

If that is directed at me, I'm not using a PIR form but an EIC.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:26 pm Reply with quote

securespark wrote:
If that is directed at me, I'm not using a PIR form but an EIC.

yes it was sorry mate my mistake
i can see the clue was in the title
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:13 pm Reply with quote

No worries, thought that might have been a Q for someone else.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:27 pm Reply with quote

You should be able to complete all boxes on an EIC with either a tick, cross or N/A - never with a LIM though.

What's the job you've carried out? Board change? If so then the EIC will relate to exactly that - the installation of the new consumer unit. Any final circuits should ideally have been verified previously and their condition documented on a PIR.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:31 pm Reply with quote

17thman wrote:
for a board change for eg i put n/a and an asterix, then in comments i write "I have not installed final circuit cables and therfore cannot verify their routing"


Nine times out of ten I would have changed the main tails when changing a consumer unit so any inspection boxes for routing etc would be ticked (for the nine times, N/A for the other time!). This would relate to only the work I've carried out as detailed in the 'Extent of the installation covered by this certificate' box on page 1.
There's no need for any asterisks - you've either installed cables or you haven't.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:42 am Reply with quote

securespark wrote:
That is as I understand it.

However, my QS says that the check boxes must be filled in ??????

He is suppose to supply the documentation on original fitting and if he does you can copy the info across if you like with a note from original installation cert.

If he fails on his part to supply documentation before job starts then you in turn can't enter details.

It is a hard one as often original documents are missing and owner does not want to pay for full PIR. And even if they did you can't find route. My son had his firm wanting 6181Y etc put against all the cables and he had to dig in his heals and say I can't identify cable types from amount of cable I can see. What they wanted was any old number ticking and if you ticked 6181Y instead of 6181B they were not worried so he ticked the thermal plastic one each time and looked for new job.
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