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How is it possible for other researchers to replicate wakefields findings ? If it was baloney ?

Research Supports Wakefield’s Initial Work
Tremendous research supports Dr. Wakefield’s initial study connecting autism with bowel disorders. The following are peer-reviewed papers supporting his work:

  • Furlano R, Anthony A, Day R, Brown A, Mc Garvey L, Thomson M, et al. “Colonic CD8 and T cell filtration with epithelial damage in children with autism.” J Pediatr, 2001;138:366-72.
  • Sabra S, Bellanti JA, Colon AR. “Ileal lymphoid hyperplasia, non-specific colitis and pervasive developmental disorder in children.” The Lancet, 1998;352:234-5.
  • Torrente F., Machado N., Perez-Machado M., Furlano R., Thomson M., Davies S., Wakefield AJ, Walker-Smith JA, Murch SH. “Enteropathy with T cell infiltration and epithelial IgG deposition in autism.” Molecular Psychiatry, 2002;7:375-382.
  • Wakefield AJ, Anthony A, Murch SH, Thomson M, Montgomery SM, Davies S, Walker-Smith JA. “Enterocolitis in children with developmental disorder.” American Journal of Gastroenterology, 2000;95:2285-2295.
  • Ashwood P, Anthony A, Pellicer AA, Torrente F, Wakefield AJ. “Intestinal lymphocyte populations in children with regressive autism: evidence for extensive mucosal immunopathology.” Journal of Clinical Immunology, 2003;23:504-517.
The following peer-reviewed papers replicate Dr. Wakefield’s original findings:

  • Gonzalez, L. et al., “Endoscopic and Histological Characteristics of the Digestive Mucosa in Autistic Children with gastro-Intestinal Symptoms.” Arch Venez Pueric Pediatr, 2005;69:19-25.
  • Balzola, F., et al., “Panenteric IBD-like disease in a patient with regressive autism shown for the first time by wireless capsule enteroscopy: Another piece in the jig-saw of the gut-brain syndrome?” American Journal of Gastroenterology, 2005. 100(4): p. 979- 981.
  • Balzola F et al . “Autistic enterocolitis: confirmation of a new inflammatory bowel disease in an Italian cohort of patients.” Gastroenterology, 2005;128(Suppl. 2);A-303.
These are the articles on treatment of gastrointestinal symptoms in autistic children:

  • Buie T, et al. Pediatrics. 2010 Jan;125 Suppl 1:S19-29. Recommendations for evaluation and treatment of common gastrointestinal problems in children with ASDs.
  • Buie T, et al. Pediatrics. 2010 Jan;125 Suppl 1:S1-18. Evaluation, diagnosis, and treatment of gastrointestinal disorders in individuals with ASDs: a consensus report. [21]
 
None of those papers support the hypothesis that MMR vaccines cause autism.

There are some interesting hypotheses regarding the role of gut health in mental development and mental wellbeing.

Linking those papers to MMR is the sign of someone who clearly doesn't know what they are talking about. I learnt quite a lot about immunology and microbiology when I did my degree and PhD. When did you become such an expert? Do you actually understand those papers or did you just copy and paste the list from an anti vaccine website?
 
Wakefield is a fraud, liar and charlatan and he has blood on his hands when children die of measles mumps or rubella when their parents refused to vaccinate them, or the innocent children who can't be vaccinated and get the disease from the children of ignorant parents.
 
The vaccine is normally a weakened version of the virus. Being weakened the virus are easily destroyed and body's immune system now knows how to create the antibodies necessary to destroy that virus.

Creating antibodies for one weakened virus is a relatively simple task for the immune system. Creating three different antibodies for three different viruses is a harder task with three different antibodies having to be produced. It is possible that in some children the three tasks become confused and one or more of the antibodies produced is defective. Not only are these defective antibodies less efective in killing the virus they may also aggressively attack vital cells in the body believing them to be alien cells.

mikeey84 said:
or the innocent children who can't be vaccinated and get the disease from the children of ignorant parents.
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The option to have three separate vaccinations, one illness at a time, should have been available to parents.
 
mikeey84 said:
Sometimes children can't be vaccinated at all.
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Do you mean because (1) there is no available health provider or (2) because the child is known to react to vaccines or (3) because the parents refuse to allow any vaccination of their child.
 
bernardgreen said:
Do you mean because (1) there is no available health provider or (2) because the child is known to react to vaccines or (3) because the parents refuse to allow any vaccination of their child.
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I am referring to option 4, where the child has a health condition that suppresses their immune system so they cannot receive a vaccine. They are the ones that benefit from herd immunity
 
mikeey84 said:
where the child has a health condition that suppresses their immune system so they cannot receive a vaccine.
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It is a very emotional subject when a person with a reduced, suppressed or non existant immune system has to be isolated from any possible carrier of any infectious disease.

Do they live in an isolation bubble with severely restricted contact with other people or do they require that the herd they are a member of is ensured to never contain any carrier of infectious disease.
 
bernardgreen said:
Do they live in an isolation bubble with severely restricted contact with other people or do they require that the herd they are a member of is ensured to never contain any carrier of infectious disease
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Neither. It has been shown that high levels of vaccination, around 95%, I think, allows herd immunity as there are not enough carriers of the disease for it to spread.

Obviously that doesn't eliminate the risk to unvaccinated children or adults but it massively lowers the risk for them.
 
bernardgreen said:
Creating three different antibodies for three different viruses is a harder task with three different antibodies having to be produced.
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That's an interesting idea.

Where did you hear that the human body has difficulty coping with more than one weak infection at a time?

How many new viruses do you think a child encounters every day, just from licking their fingers and being sneezed on?
 
JohnD said:
Where did you hear that the human body has difficulty coping with more than one weak infection at a time?
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From my mother who was a nurse and several other medical people. The infection from a vaccine is not weak, it is often a massive dose of the virus to ensure the immune system reacts. The "weakness" is that the virus cannot reproduce itself in the body or attach itself to the cells it would normally atack.

JohnD said:
How many new viruses do you think a child encounters every day, just from licking their fingers and being sneezed on?
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Most of these "new" virus are new strains ( mutations ) of viruses for which the person has already developed antibody production.
 
gasbanni said:
How is it possible for other researchers to replicate wakefields findings ?
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mikeey84 said:
None of those papers support the hypothesis that MMR vaccines cause autism.
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not having read the papers and assuming that you have, I will take your word for it.
mikeey84 said:
Linking those papers to MMR is the sign of someone who clearly doesn't know what they are talking about. When did you become such an expert? Do you actually understand those papers or did you just copy and paste the list from an anti vaccine website?
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Gasbanni is a prolific thread raiser on this forum and as far as I am aware, there is no rule which states that a a poster must "clearly know what they are talking about", be "an expert", or "actually understand" the information their post is based on. Nor is there a rule which states that one cannot just "copy and paste" evidence from the web which in their opinion supports any given post.[/QUOTE]

mikeey84 said:
Wakefield is a fraud, liar and charlatan and he has blood on his hands when children die of measles mumps or rubella when their parents refused to vaccinate them, or the innocent children who can't be vaccinated and get the disease from the children of ignorant parents.
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That is your opinion and because I haven't given the matter serious attention, I cannot agree or disagree with your point of view. That said I will now rectify that situ by reading selected items from G's quoted materials. In the meantime, let me leave you with this:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/th...s-career-was-destroyed-for-telling-the-truth/
 
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Shutpa said:
That said I will now rectify that situ by reading selected items from G's quoted materials. In the meantime, let me leave you with this:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/th...s-career-was-destroyed-for-telling-the-truth/
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Andrew Wakefields career was destroyed because he lied, and he performed unethical experiments on children with learning difficulties.

He tried to sue a couple of journalists for libel in this country, where the libel laws make it very easy to do. He failed.

That really informative article (haha) funnily enough doesn't go into how much Andrew wakefield stood to gain financially by discrediting the triple jab. Check out a real journalistic investigation
 
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