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What vehicle(s) do you drive on a regular basis?

aveatry said:
It is true --- go and google it. Don't know about existing chargers. But is you have a smart meter in your house already that supplies your charger then that power consumption - rate - time- can tell a lot about what is being used, the smart meter can "tell"-- record when you put the oven on compared to when you put the kettle on compared to when you charge your phone as they all have their own power signatures vs time used - not difficult to work out what is being used - against the background consumption of a fridge. If you have a smart meter installed then congratulations - you have installed a spying device. -- For your convenience ;) .
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Oh dear... :rolleyes: A smart meter can tell what power is being drawn and when. It hasn't got a clue whether it's my shower or my EV charger as they both pull about the same current. HMRC could probably take an educated guess that I'm not going to be showering at 02.00 so it's more likely to be an EV being charged but do you think that's a sound basis for future taxation policy that's so robust it won't be open to legal challenge? Really...?:LOL:

Of course, if I got one of those house batteries, that would make it even more fun...;)
 
Avocet said:
probably take an educated guess that I'm not going to be showering at 02.00 so it's more likely to be an EV being charged
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Yep - that's sort of the way. Every single appliance will have its own "signature" and from that it can learn if you are female or male, - through hairdryer/ straightener signatures, what time you go to bed and what time you get up -from when the consumption starts up, it will also show if you are working or not through your patterns, so it should be very easy to work out when you are charging your car. Remember smart meters officially are automatically set to send readings to your supplier every 30 mins but they can collect and send info constantly.
 
Brigadier said:
Even if what you have written is true, how will the government know what my existing EV charger is doing?

And all the meter will tell anyone is when and how much, but not "on what".
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When I looked at getting a PHEV, you had to first be sure that your car was 'internet connected'. You had to get a suitable tariff for home charging from a supplier. You then charged your car at the standard tariff that you were on and the vehicle registered the amount being sent into the car and recorded that. The following month, you were credited the difference to your account between your standard tariff and the EV tariff.
 
Mottie said:
When I looked at getting a PHEV, you had to first be sure that your car was 'internet connected'. You had to get a suitable tariff for home charging from a supplier. You then charged your car at the standard tariff that you were on and the vehicle registered the amount being sent into the car and recorded that. The following month, you were credited the difference to your account between your standard tariff and the EV tariff.
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Nothing like that for me.

Had the charger installed a couple of months before the car was even chosen.

Emailed my electricity supplier, and asked them if they had a EV plan.

"No, but we have an off-peak plan."

Which is what I'm on.

Who knows what the future will bring though?
 
Avocet said:
Of course, if I got one of those house batteries, that would make it even more fun...;)
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I have thought that they'll be a ripe market in years to come, for people to buy "knackered" EVs solely for the battery.
Just park it out of sight (back of garden, for instance) and use that as a store.
 
Brigadier said:
Nothing like that for me.

Had the charger installed a couple of months before the car was even chosen.

Emailed my electricity supplier, and asked them if they had a EV plan.

"No, but we have an off-peak plan."

Which is what I'm on.

Who knows what the future will bring though?
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Sounds ages ago - when was it. Maybe your next car will "not work" with your old charger - by design to force you to install a current smart charger.
 
Brigadier said:
I have thought that they'll be a ripe market in years to come, for people to buy "knackered" EVs solely for the battery.
Just park it out of sight (back of garden, for instance) and use that as a store.
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Great - will look just like a sink estate with half dismembered cars in the front garden.
 
aveatry said:
Yep - that's sort of the way. Every single appliance will have its own "signature" and from that it can learn if you are female or male, - through hairdryer/ straightener signatures, what time you go to bed and what time you get up -from when the consumption starts up, it will also show if you are working or not through your patterns, so it should be very easy to work out when you are charging your car. Remember smart meters officially are automatically set to send readings to your supplier every 30 mins but they can collect and send info constantly.
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Ah... but what if I haven't had my Covid vaccine? What then huh? ... :rolleyes:
 
Mottie said:
When I looked at getting a PHEV, you had to first be sure that your car was 'internet connected'. You had to get a suitable tariff for home charging from a supplier. You then charged your car at the standard tariff that you were on and the vehicle registered the amount being sent into the car and recorded that. The following month, you were credited the difference to your account between your standard tariff and the EV tariff.
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Blimey! Who was that with?! I'm with Octopus and I didn't have to do any of that. I chose to tell them what kind of car I had (no identifying information, just that it was a BMW i4) so that it (and the charger) could talk to their servers and schedule charging for when the grid output was at its greenest, but if I hadn't wanted to, I could have just set the charger to charge between 23.30 and 05.30 each day, and it would have done that just as happily.
 
Brigadier said:
I have thought that they'll be a ripe market in years to come, for people to buy "knackered" EVs solely for the battery.
Just park it out of sight (back of garden, for instance) and use that as a store.
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Not a very efficient way of doing it, as (even the ones with vehicle-to-load) capability are only a couple of kW output, but yes, in more general terms, the batteries from scrap EVs are already sought-after as storage units.
 
Avocet said:
Blimey! Who was that with?! I'm with Octopus and I didn't have to do any of that. I chose to tell them what kind of car I had (no identifying information, just that it was a BMW i4) so that it (and the charger) could talk to their servers and schedule charging for when the grid output was at its greenest, but if I hadn't wanted to, I could have just set the charger to charge between 23.30 and 05.30 each day, and it would have done that just as happily.
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OVO. From what I remember, the car charging went through a third party. My electricity tariff is 22.84p and the EV rate was 7p. As I understood it, you paid the 22.84 price and the following month you were credited back the difference, so 15.84p per unit.
 
Brigadier said:
Nothing like that for me.

Had the charger installed a couple of months before the car was even chosen.

Emailed my electricity supplier, and asked them if they had a EV plan.

"No, but we have an off-peak plan."

Which is what I'm on.

Who knows what the future will bring though?
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