why is loss of freedom of movement in eu seen as a big deal

[motorbiking]

The EU always has been and always will be 27+ countries trying to get more than their fair share.

 

[fillyboy]

I don't give a toss about free movement.
Most of the UKs trade is done with EU countries, and Brexit made it complicated and bureaucratic, which has cost the economy many billions. We need free trade.
But the most important thing for me is European strength and unity.

We have free trade with Europe.

 

[kingandy2nd]

If only there was a visa that people could get that would allow them to live and work in the EU, for more than 90 days, while still being a UK citizen and employee.... oh wait there is.

That is definitely not easier than having an EU passport.

Thought you were better than that too MBK, but seems his place is just turning into a trolling zone.

Here, from ChatGPT, is a summary of what you now need to do to retire in the EU.

CLEARLY not as easy as having freedom of movement, and certainly no longer available to some UK citizens that wouldn’t be able to meet the criteria.

 

[kingandy2nd]

Agree.
Probably hit young people the hardest. Bitter gammon brexers inflicting the worst thing to happen to the UK since WWII, affecting the very people that will be wiping their arzes and mopping the dribble from their pink jowls. The EU will outlive them.

Don’t want to be the forum police here, and while I agree with the premise that Brexit has been terribly damaging to the UK in many ways, there’s no need to throw in the digs Noseall - you’re better than than mate.

 

[Mottie]

That is definitely not easier than having an EU passport.

Thought you were better than that too MBK, but seems his place is just turning into a trolling zone.

Here, from ChatGPT, is a summary of what you now need to do to retire in the EU.

CLEARLY not as easy as having freedom of movement, and certainly no longer available to some UK citizens that wouldn’t be able to meet the criteria.

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To be fair, that’s what I’d expect if someone from the EU wanted to retire to the U.K. Why should someone be allowed to retire to another country if they haven’t got sufficient income or savings, expect to be treated for free under their health service and don't want to comply with their tax and visa system? Of course Brits retiring abroad should comply with those rules. I’d go further and say they had to have a basic knowledge of the language within three years of moving there too.

 

[kingandy2nd]

To be fair, that’s what I’d expect if someone from the EU wanted to retire to the U.K. Why should someone be allowed to retire to another country if they haven’t got sufficient income or savings, expect to be treated for free under their health service and don't want to comply with their tax and visa system? Of course Brits retiring abroad should comply with those rules. I’d go further and say they had to have a basic knowledge of the language within three years of moving there too.

Yes, there’s merit in your view, but that’s was freedom of movement allowed and it’s disingenuous of MBK to suggest that the current provisions are just as easy (or sometimes better) than FOM, when the fact is that some people wouldn’t now qualify.

I might be totally wrong on this, but didn’t you live in Spain, or at least own a property there? It’s a shame that your kids and grandkids won’t enjoy that frictionless opportunity to do the same in the future to enjoy living in another culture and embed themselves there to learn the language…like I assume you did?

 

[motorbiking]

That is definitely not easier than having an EU passport.

Thought you were better than that too MBK, but seems his place is just turning into a trolling zone.

Here, from ChatGPT, is a summary of what you now need to do to retire in the EU.

CLEARLY not as easy as having freedom of movement, and certainly no longer available to some UK citizens that wouldn’t be able to meet the criteria.

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you have to know what you are searching for, otherwise you'll continue to get confused with all the different options. You asked ChatGPT the wrong question. But most of the information it gave you showed, just how simple it is.

My specific reference was to the digital nomad scheme that many EU countries provide

British citizens can obtain digital nomad visas to live in an EU country without needing to be resident for tax purposes. In addition, thanks to Brexit, there are VAT savings to be had.

Cyprus is indeed an attractive place for ex-UK tax payers who are retiring/retired. If the current government increase CGT etc.. many more wealthy tax payers will leave. I would save about 150k a year, it's something I am seriously considering until a more sensible government comes in. Its just too much hard earned money to lose.

Yes, there’s merit in your view, but that’s was freedom of movement allowed and it’s disingenuous of MBK to suggest that the current provisions are just as easy (or sometimes better) than FOM, when the fact is that some people wouldn’t now qualify.

I might be totally wrong on this, but didn’t you live in Spain, or at least own a property there? It’s a shame that your kids and grandkids won’t enjoy that frictionless opportunity to do the same in the future to enjoy living in another culture and embed themselves there to learn the language…like I assume you did?

You've jumped in with an opinion and then went off to do your research, thats a tad disingenuous.

There are still plenty of ways for people to do the above and as non-EU citizens there can be tax benefits.

 

[Brigadier]

To be fair, that’s what I’d expect if someone from the EU wanted to retire to the U.K. Why should someone be allowed to retire to another country if they haven’t got sufficient income or savings, expect to be treated for free under their health service and don't want to comply with their tax and visa system? Of course Brits retiring abroad should comply with those rules. I’d go further and say they had to have a basic knowledge of the language within three years of moving there too.

How you think another country should run its affairs..............


And you voted Leave because, in part, you were offended at the thought of other countries having a say in how we run ours.


Irony, hypocrisy, and cognitive disconnect all rolled into one

 

[Mottie]

I might be totally wrong on this, but didn’t you live in Spain, or at least own a property there? It’s a shame that your kids and grandkids won’t enjoy that frictionless opportunity to do the same in the future to enjoy living in another culture and embed themselves there to learn the language…like I assume you did?

Yeah, we had a place in Spain but we never lived there or spent more than three weeks there at any one time so the 90/180 rule would never have affected us anyway. Same with a friend of mine who owns a place in Sardinia - he's never spent more than a few weeks at a time there and like us, the longest time we spent there was getting it ready for others to use! It’s not like owning property in the U.K. - they can hardly be called an investment. Unless you’re going to spend a lot of time there, in my opinion, it really isn’t worth owning a place abroad. Was costing about £1500 a year for the standing charges - elec, community charge, water rates and pool maintenance etc and that’s without things breaking or going wrong. We could have rented our neighbours place for a fortnight for just £600 and not have any of the bother!

Been to Spain twice recently and I have to honestly say, I found it just as frictionless as before Brexit.

 

[Mottie]

How you think another country should run its affairs..............


And you voted Leave because, in part, you were offended at the thought of other countries having a say in how we run ours.


Irony, hypocrisy, and cognitive disconnect all rolled into one

Eh? A country (or a collection of countries) should be free to run its own affairs. I’m agreeing with tge retirement rules for those EU countries and say there’s nothing wrong with them. How is it hypocritical saying that all countries should be run the same way?

 

[kingandy2nd]

you have to know what you are searching for, otherwise you'll continue to get confused with all the different options. You asked ChatGPT the wrong question. But most of the information it gave you showed, just how simple it is.

My specific reference was to the digital nomad scheme that many EU countries provide

British citizens can obtain digital nomad visas to live in an EU country without needing to be resident for tax purposes. In addition, thanks to Brexit, there are VAT savings to be had.

Cyprus is indeed an attractive place for ex-UK tax payers who are retiring/retired. If the current government increase CGT etc.. many more wealthy tax payers will leave. I would save about 150k a year, it's something I am seriously considering until a more sensible government comes in. Its just too much hard earned money to lose.



You've jumped in with an opinion and then went off to do your research, thats a tad disingenuous.

There are still plenty of ways for people to do the above and as non-EU citizens there can be tax benefits.

I've not been disingenuous in any way - I provided a clear example and the source of my research as the benefit of FOM for the ease of living, working and retiring in the EU.

Whereas you can only cite specific examples, all of which have barriers to entry and thus not universal to British citizens.

For example, your digital nomad visa still needs to be obtained, most have minimum requirements, and are not universal for the EU as a whole. Under FOM the British Citizen could live and work in any EU country without restriction.

I do not disagree that *some British people will still have the opportunities to live, work and retire in the EU but it is clearly not as easy nor universal as it was pre-Brexit.

 

[King Billy]

8 years on and I still don’t know of a single U.K. hating remainer that has moved to their beloved EU.

That'll be because it's become so much more difficult now.
Did you not understand the differences between the previous freedoms to move and the current restrictions on moving now?

Have any of the U.K. hating remainers on this forum pìssed off to the EU where the grass is greener? Nah, they know which side their bread is buttered.

Which illustrates how the current fewer opportunities there are to freely to move between EU countries.

Think about the number on here expressed a desire to move, and extrapolate that to the UK population.
Suppose we had 2 expressed a desire to move among a regular 100 posters, i.e. 2 in 100.
That'll be more than 1,250,000 people affected by Brexit, and now not able to freely move to an EU nation.

Now I've noticed MB's interest that's 3 in 100, so that's over 2,000,000 in the UK's population potentially restricted from moving and living in an EU country, temporarily or permanently.

 

[JohnD]

I was very amused when rabid Brexer, Nigella's dad, had his application for permanent residency in France rejected.

 

[Mottie]

I was very amused when rabid Brexer, Nigella's dad, had his application for permanent residency in France rejected.

Yeah, I bet you was. Bad news of any kind is your bread and butter. Must’ve made your day.

 

[motorbiking]

I do not disagree that *some British people will still have the opportunities to live, work and retire in the EU but it is clearly not as easy nor universal as it was pre-Brexit.

So all good then. You can still do what you could before and in certain circumstances be financially better off.

The minimum income requirements are slightly higher than minimum wage. It’s hardly a barrier