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I agree with JohnD, your report (neither of them) did not show what you claimed it showed.
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I mean the chart you put up, which I carefully read.
I also looked at all the tables in the document you later linked, and it does not contain any figures on deaths or injuries per cyclist mile, hence my comment.
And it does not support your claim (which as @wobs has shown, is false).
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Yet!
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If you select data from 2007, for the best - performing countries.
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I did invite you to post it, and your response was:
Here's another source:
We're about mid table, with some countries over talking us. Some changes in the last 10 years, but not much.
This chart is from here from 2010:
https://ecf.com/resources/reports?page=1
With some update from 5 years ago:
https://www.tgstore.co.uk/where-is-the-safest-place-in-europe-to-cycle/
When you have low usage, you get low death rates. We have an infrastructure that is anti-cycling generally. I didn't really appreciate how much until last year, when I looked closer at what is possible. I just took for granted that cars would pass close by every day, and I might get hit one day.
When things get safer, you get higher uptake, especially among women, and other groups, such as older generations. It also makes for a better place to live, as its safer for pedestrians as well.
We're about mid table, with some countries over talking us. Some changes in the last 10 years, but not much.
This chart is from here from 2010:
https://ecf.com/resources/reports?page=1
With some update from 5 years ago:
https://www.tgstore.co.uk/where-is-the-safest-place-in-europe-to-cycle/
When you have low usage, you get low death rates. We have an infrastructure that is anti-cycling generally. I didn't really appreciate how much until last year, when I looked closer at what is possible. I just took for granted that cars would pass close by every day, and I might get hit one day.
When things get safer, you get higher uptake, especially among women, and other groups, such as older generations. It also makes for a better place to live, as its safer for pedestrians as well.
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I don't think he is a human entity, possibly one of these automated 'Web Bots' that is out there in cyberspace progammed to disrupt by adding mindless crapp to all threads. May be in this case its a Web Arse rather than a Web Bot.
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Did you mean High Usage gets low deaths ? because that seems to be the trend in the chart you show.
I suspect the more people cycling the better drivers get at dealing with us.
Going by the way some of the numpties up the valleys drive, that possibly they have never seen a cyclist before. I sometimes jump off when I see one coming, watch from the safty of the verge as they speed past, eyes staring wildly ahead, mouth half open, knuckles white as they grip tightly onto the steering wheel, remains of deer and sheep embedded in the grill
I suspect that the better-designed and managed the transport systems are, providing a safe, convenient and quick way for cyclists to travel, and the better educated and behaved are drivers of other vehicles, the more people will cycle and the safer they will be.
So the opposite of your suspicion.
You have been to the Netherlands, haven't you?
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see 'Critical Mass'
Better designed and better managed transport systems are needed to get us there, but once cycling becomes the normal drivers will become experienced at being around us and attitudes will change. From my experience of Amsterdam this is where they are at now.
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I wonder what the statistics look like for horse accidents. I very, very rarely see horses on the roads around here.
Well, actually that's a lie, I frequently see horses on the road, but that's only because the local sulky training stables is just up the road, and their training circuit is about 100 metres from their stables. So they make that trip a couple of times each day.
But other than that, I cannot remember seeing horses (excluding escaped animals from the field, which is also a frequent occurrence) on the roads.
Whereas in UK I would frequently see horses on the roads.
Oh shoite, I've started durhamplumber off again.
Hopefully he gets bored and doesn't read that far into my comments.
Well, actually that's a lie, I frequently see horses on the road, but that's only because the local sulky training stables is just up the road, and their training circuit is about 100 metres from their stables. So they make that trip a couple of times each day.
But other than that, I cannot remember seeing horses (excluding escaped animals from the field, which is also a frequent occurrence) on the roads.
Whereas in UK I would frequently see horses on the roads.
Oh shoite, I've started durhamplumber off again.
Hopefully he gets bored and doesn't read that far into my comments.
Partially. Its what one often sees in York for example, where people are more used to seeing bikes, but you don't get high usage without people feeling safe. And that means putting in infrastructure to make it safe.
In the UK we have been great at making our roads safe for cars, but not so much for bikes, and people in general. We seem to be happy to put up barriers to protect pedestrians, have crossings with lights, done a few streets that are pedestrianised, but also built out of town retail parks made for cars (anyone been to the retail park near Leeds that has the Ikea there? Imagine going there on bike). This forces people to drive, so we shouldn't be surprised when bike use drops.
There are other factors of course. Density plays an important part, where if you are miles from the shops as everyone has large gardens etc, you're not going to bike there.
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No comparison between cycling in France,Germany etc and the UK..I find road cycling in UK no joy most of time down to antics of car,van drivers.Infrastructure in Other European countries for cyclists is many magnitudes better and the attitude of car drivers so different,in general,for various reasons.I can cycle for weeks in Europe with no car driver rudeness,,and not even 10mins at times in UK before some car driver bad attitude.
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