ICE told to get the eff out

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Highway Man said:
I can see how she was shot and fully understand the ICE agents actions. I am voicing my opinion so could you tell me where I am wrong on this?
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Imo you are coming from the angle that errs on the side of enforcement of an issue that you may deem to be necessary...

As opposed to looking at the shooting from a purely human level...

In the UK there are immigration raids, and as far as I am aware there haven't been any fatalities involved, but correct me if I'm wrong...

"Latest figures reveal the number of raids have soared by 77% in the UK since the government came into power, leading to an 83% rise in arrests (July 2024 to end of December 2025)"

And so far protests against such actions must be very limited because I haven't seen mainstream reports. Have you?

Could it be that in the UK we do things with more regard to the law regarding a right to life...

I realise that many of those who condone the actions in the US may well also hold the view that the very existence of human rights legislation is an affront to their views, but nevertheless it is what largely prevents the actions in the US permeating it's way into Europe!
 
Mottie said:
You should know that your opinion should be in line with liberal Ellas otherwise he will stick pins in his voodoo doll of you and wish you a thousand deaths…
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So nothing to add as usual...

Btw, you went silent when asked about your views on the defence of the UK...

Very strange :rolleyes:
 
ellal said:
Imo you are coming from the angle that errs on the side of enforcement of an issue that you may deem to be necessary...

As opposed to looking at the shooting from a purely human level...

In the UK there are immigration raids, and as far as I am aware there haven't been any fatalities involved, but correct me if I'm wrong...

"Latest figures reveal the number of raids have soared by 77% in the UK since the government came into power, leading to an 83% rise in arrests (July 2024 to end of December 2025)"

And so far protests against such actions must be very limited because I haven't seen mainstream reports. Have you?

Could it be that in the UK we do things with more regard to the law regarding a right to life...

I realise that many of those who condone the actions in the US may well also hold the view that the very existence of human rights legislation is an affront to their views, but nevertheless it is what largely prevents the actions in the US permeating it's way into Europe!
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Could we clarify something first, are you just making this up as you go along, or are you a New York lawyer?
 
Highway Man said:
Could we clarify something first, are you just making this up as you go along, or are you a New York lawyer?
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Give the guy a break - he's just finished a night shift of changing bedsheets and wiping @rses and he's just clearing his bile ducts before having his dinner and going to bed.
 
Highway Man said:
Exactly. Nail on the head, I haven't a clue with US law in the least, all I am doing is applying a bit of common sense to the case with a few legal bits I have read thrown in.
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I am happy that I understand the law concerning all the parts we have discussed over the past few days. Although it is a complex situation, the law itself isn't that difficult, if you are able to break it all down and look at it all objectively. But I am also totally relaxed about admitting the bits I don't know. The final bit we started discussing last night was the issue of whether Becca Good might be guilty of a crime for shouting at Renee to drive. And that is where it gets much more complicated. The laws on areas such as encouraging someone to commit a crime and joint enterprise take it to a whole new level of complexity.
 
...behind the scenes, current and former ICE agents have expressed concerns about the agent’s conduct, about the agency’s operations in Minneapolis, and about a broader push by the Trump administration to aggressively recruit more agents. “I’m embarrassed,” one former ICE agent with more than 25 years of experience told TIME. “The majority of my colleagues feel the same way. It’s an insult to us, because we did it the right way to see what they’re doing now.”
 
I wonder if as a general rule we can agree to post the question asked, with the AI response? It’s so easy get confirmation bias with a question and poor quality sources. That way, anyone can test the sources independently.

As I’ve already said, the issue facing Becca Good is one of joint enterprise, “impeding a federal officer”, but they could stretch this to some sort of reckless endangerment. Personally I think it will go nowhere and is a way to focus blame on her and remind observers they were not innocent observers attacked without cause.
 
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