ICE told to get the eff out

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I have mixed feelings about this ICE stuff in the States. Yes it can be argued that it's good to see a country getting tough on illegal immigrants, however I wonder if what we're seeing is almost going from one extreme to the other.

Trump was keen to reiterate during his Davos speech that ICE is almost exclusively going after hardened criminals and wrong 'uns in general. According to Trump, ICE isn't going after people they know are living their illegally but are living decent ordinary lives e.g. working in the service industry and the like. MMmmm, I'm not convinced some of the stories we're seeing back that up.

When it comes to the UK, as we've discussed on here many times, yes we need much tougher immigration controls, legal, illegal, small boats, the whole lot. And we need more effective removal processes. However, would I want to see groups of armed men with their faces covered combing various areas in various towns and cities? No.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
I have mixed feelings about this ICE stuff in the States. Yes it can be argued that it's good to see a country getting tough on illegal immigrants, however I wonder if what we're seeing is almost going from one extreme to the other.

Trump was keen to reiterate during his Davos speech that ICE is almost exclusively going after hardened criminals and wrong 'uns in general. According to Trump, ICE isn't going after people they know are living their illegally but are living decent ordinary lives e.g. working in the service industry and the like. MMmmm, I'm not convinced some of the stories we're seeing back that up.

When it comes to the UK, as we've discussed on here many times, yes we need much tougher immigration controls, legal, illegal, small boats, the whole lot. And we need more effective removal processes. However, would I want to see groups of armed men with their faces covered combing various areas in various towns and cities? No.
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It would be handy if those arrested in raids were actually deported. Its about 1 in 10.
 
Odds said:
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evidence to the contrary from wiki.

At 09:43:14, six minutes after the first shot was fired, EMS and firefighters arrived, began removing Good from her vehicle, and attempted to render aid...

Good had an irregular pulse when the emergency workers arrived, and a short time later, no pulse. Good had four gunshot wounds: two in the chest, one in the forearm, and one in the head. Her pupils were dilated and blood was pouring from her ear. By 09:45:30, Good was carried to Portland Avenue and 34th Street, where she began receiving CPR, eight minutes after being shot. Seven minutes later, around 09:52, Good was placed into an ambulance. She was taken to Hennepin County Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead.

Do you honestly think these sound like survivable wounds?
 
motorbiking said:
evidence to the contrary from wiki.

At 09:43:14, six minutes after the first shot was fired, EMS and firefighters arrived, began removing Good from her vehicle, and attempted to render aid...

Good had an irregular pulse when the emergency workers arrived, and a short time later, no pulse. Good had four gunshot wounds: two in the chest, one in the forearm, and one in the head. Her pupils were dilated and blood was pouring from her ear. By 09:45:30, Good was carried to Portland Avenue and 34th Street, where she began receiving CPR, eight minutes after being shot. Seven minutes later, around 09:52, Good was placed into an ambulance. She was taken to Hennepin County Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead.

Do you honestly think these sound like survivable wounds?
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Not a cat in hells chance, just one in the chest would more than likely be fatal.
 
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So who "denied" the attention?
which resulted in her getting cpr...

I suspect it might have been her wife, who only wanted to hold her as she was dying her last breath.
 
JohnD said:
It's always best to keep medical aid away from severely injured people, is it?
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There is medical aid and there are people who like to think that they know first aid, it would be more in the interest of the injured to separate the two types and only allow a real medic to aid someone who is critically injured, she didn't need a plaster putting on her wounds.
 
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