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If I get a new improved JB and link the circuit I'm working on it gives me experience to link all the other lights when I'm ready to do that what is the problem I'm just trying to learn like anyone what's so bad I've draw you a circuit that you said would work if I can draw it I understand it :/

So your saying I don't need a junction box ? The ceiling rose has a live and neutral terminal ?

The live will come from a junction box the ceiling rose don't have the extra terminal to loop the live to the switch ?

Or should I say diverting the live to the switch ?

Sorry switched live then my bad

The ceiling rose won't allow me to split the live so it needs to be split in a junction box and sent to the switch and there ain't any room in the junction box that's already there ?

Because when I've got the 2 way working installed the next project will be to replace the old junction box (birds nest) with a new one mate

Yep only reason for that I don't feel confident trying to use the junction that already there have you seen the photo of it ? Lol

Well the reason I mention the junctionbox is because there are no terminals left on that one so for now my new light circuit is going to come from a new junction box which has per to it from the old one the. That will be the next job to re wire the box I understand where you are coming from all...

What are these called mate and where does the power from fuse box go into that it don't show does it ? Do screwfix/toolstation sell them ? Thanks

Yes Yes this is correct originally I wanted a 2 gang slave upstair too but could not work my bathroom light off it aswell as the landing on the other gang so now I've gone for a single slave for the landing and a single master for the bathroom

This is not possible as the downstairs light requires a master to work and the landing and downstairs is on a 2 gang master the bottom light is 1 way so won't run off the slave which is why I put the slave upstairs for the landing 2way ?

Looks to me like the load has to come from the downstairs master though :/

Is this what you propose ? Done a re-sketch I do appoligise for not listening before I am new to all this and do want to learn from what your saying :)

Sorry didn't see that so the live in and out of the switch can be from the slave sorry so this will save the extra cable going downstairs ? And the junction box was to replace this ill send a picture this is used to loop the live back to switch instead of the ceiling rose/downlights which I...

The master and salve are connected with a 3 core like the Varilight circuit drawing says live, load and link all connected one 3 core cable ? :/

Let me re-word that mate I mean instead of having the junction box I have which looks a mess and all the earths twisted together to hold the top on the box it's self is there a type of junction box made for what it's doing that gives more room to put all the cables in neater and safer and a...

Master is downstairs and slave is upstairs mate ?

Does anyone have a better idea than this circuit/situation ? Any input would be appreciated ?

Where the live is split in the junction box for the switch ? :/ I think lol