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Until humans are safely back from tramping around on Mars, you've caught no one out. You'll be dead long before it happens.

Mars. The post was about mars.......

"test" In other words, NASA are not currently confident that they could safely land humans on the moon. Which is what some on here have been saying, repeatedly.

NASA already knows they can't.

Why didn't they land? Because it is orders of magnitude more difficult, that's why.

Not alive and bringing him back safely, anyway.

Don't be offended, but I find your entire existence being dependent on saying "Of course! We just need x yrs and $XXX billion" might also be a factor.........

"this thread" :ROFLMAO: It's all been said before, numerous times. No need to do it all over again here as well. "Business case is the limiting factor" ;-)

And the ultimate limit : a fragile bag of flesh that, even with the best of luck, might get 100 years of useful time....

Not agreeing with someone - citing solid evidence and facts - is not "arguing".

You said that we already have the tech. So, I'm interested in your "business case" reasoning. CEO to MBK: So, you want $4 billion, for one launch, to put a human back on the moon? Well, not "on" the moon exactly..........

Interesting. Didn't take you long to row back.

For the Moon. Mars? Forget it, both in monetary and in tech terms.

In reality, it's both.

Mine was a rhetorical question. To demonstrate that you're arguing with yourself, and agreeing with those you're purporting to be arguing with. As some of us are saying, technically possible, but so unlikely - for so many reasons - as to be to the point of ridiculousness.

I'll leave you to it with filly then.

Russia is very dependent on them buying oil and gas. Russia is a dying empire. Russia see - rightly - china's ascending trajectory. Russia fears becoming a vassal state, under china's control. Not next year, but it's there.

Not a chance. Russia is terrified of China. Nukes. Long land border. Money to burn. Huge numbers of troops. Technologically advanced. Cutting edge weapons.

I saw a piece today that said the same, except he can't. Coz he doesn't have the rare earths: China does. Which could go some way to explaining his interest in Greenland.